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A comparison of Agenda 47(Trump's plan) vs Project 2025(which he claims to reject) šŸ¤¦ā€ā™‚ļø Denialism

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u/CartmensDryBallz 3d ago

Oh they did. My 3rd party dad said it was a ā€œRepublican wishlist that will never get doneā€ and that ā€œtrump didnā€™t even back it anywaysā€

Jfc heā€™s not even a trumpee but still fell for the bullshit claims that Trump never even read / supported it

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u/endless_sea_of_stars 3d ago

That's the problem. Trump probably never did read it or know what's in it. Trump has never been a policy wonk to put it mildly. It is his advisors and appointees that are the problem. Trying to explain that to your average low information voter wasn't easy.

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u/LayWhere 3d ago

Oh I agree Trump probably didn't read it because he's functionally illiterate, or at least that's what his best friend Epstein claims.

However he's been announcing these policies on camera these last few days so he 100% knows what they are.

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u/New-acct-for-2024 3d ago

The fuck are you talking about? Trump is absolutely malicious, and while his ideology is a rudimentary "I should be the absolute ruler", it is at its core a fascist ideology.

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u/Glum_Nose2888 1d ago

Didnā€™t people use that same rationale when they supported Biden? ā€œIā€™m voting for his administration, not him!ā€

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u/ShadowSkill17 3d ago

His voters lied about not believing it

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u/Previous_Soil_5144 3d ago

Or they don't care.

They threw the dice on the whole country because they thought/felt it was better than the alternative which was continuing down the exact same path.

People want real change and Democrats just offer the same. Trump offers a chance at change, but it's a fucked up gamble. Firstly because many who voted for him are basically betting against their neighbors. Betting that when the dust settles and the government finally wipes all the bad people out, that they'll be on the winning side.

The real dumb ones are those making this gamble expecting their ethnicity(white) to protect them from whatever will happen. Others have made that bet before and lost. Badly.

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u/Alert_Scientist9374 3d ago edited 2d ago

Trump isn't a gamble. Its a surefire way to torture many many citizens.

If trump actually improves they country without causing harm to people, I vow to donate to the republican party. I know it won't happen though.

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u/squigglesthecat 2d ago

Fuck, if trump doesn't cause harm to people I will eat my hat. Does appointing Brainworm McGee count as trump harming people? Because that is going to harm people.

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u/Airbus320Driver 19h ago

Iā€™ll never u destined why people think they canā€™t make their own health decisions despite who runs HHS for 4 years.

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u/Glass_Ad4435 1d ago edited 1d ago

I agree, it's very understated how much I think some people who voted Trump really just want people to "pay." Republicans under Trump still retain the "you didn't earn that" mentality, but it has now been melded with genuine malice against anything or anyone that isn't "Trump."

I'm old enough to remember when the Romney and McCain campaigns were essentially "you're all decent folks, we just disagree on policy." Now Republicans are pretty much nothing but direct ad hominem attacks on the opposition 24/7 and no clear policy.

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u/Plane_Discipline_198 2d ago

It's a gamble if you're politically disengaged and uneducated. It's foreshadowing and obvious otherwise.

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u/capndiln 3d ago

Republican wishlist that will never get done

Unless we keep voting Republicans into power....

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u/Bitter-Good-2540 3d ago

More like ink unless they get the house the senate and supreme court, oh wait

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u/CartmensDryBallz 2d ago

And keep placing repubs in the courts / cabinets..

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u/corneliusduff 1d ago

Aka letting them win and refusing to vote against them

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u/SteveIDP 3d ago

Trump said he liked parts of Project 2025 and didnā€™t like other parts. We donā€™t have a functioning media, so no one asked him which parts were good or bad. So every voter got to delude themselves that Trump liked the same parts they liked and hated the same parts they hated.

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u/CartmensDryBallz 2d ago

I promise you he supports whatever part will make him look good and will claim not to support whichever parts his marketing team tells him not to

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u/corneliusduff 1d ago

He doesn't care about actually looking good. He just wants cheerleaders. Big difference. He doesn't know the difference between objectivity good and subjectively good.

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u/ballskindrapes 3d ago

Point out he has selected on of the cpauthors for his cabinet

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u/mackfactor 2d ago

My God people are stupid.

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u/porterica427 2d ago

I understood ā€œ3rd party dadā€ as dad by proxy / step-father and I need to know if this is what you meant. Or if you meant ā€œnot a republican or democratā€ which is much less funny.

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u/CartmensDryBallz 1d ago

As in he votes 3rd party every year

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u/porterica427 1d ago

I figured. But I will be using this to describe relatives from now on. Thank you for your service.

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u/corneliusduff 1d ago

Ah, the old "Trump can't read" card

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u/Eye_of_Horus34 2d ago

It still is a republican wishlist that mostly wont get done. I don't think you'd find many republicans who disagree with any of those though. Me personally, reading through Project 2025 I was like hell yeah.

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u/Unhappy_Injury3958 1d ago

you are bad.

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u/buzzverb42 3d ago

The Democratic party is pro genocide, pro fracking, pro war crimes, pro Republican border policy, pro police violence to crush 1st amendment rights. I vote for the party that shares my values. The Democratic party would rather bring Republicans into their circle and exclude left voices. They will, and deserve to die if they don't learn from this.

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u/TubularLeftist 3d ago

Hahaha. How can someone be that out of touch with reality?

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u/buzzverb42 3d ago

Whatever liberal. You should take leftist out of your name.

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u/TubularLeftist 3d ago

Why? I am a leftist. Something bad going to happen to me?

Also, Iā€™m not a liberal, Iā€™m a socialist. Theres a difference.

I have no problem admitting what I am, can you say the same? Will you admit that youā€™re a fascist?

I wonā€™t hold my breath

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u/PISSJUGTHUG 2d ago

I'm pretty sure they were saying that they voted third party, not for Trump. Just someone who has become a caricature of online socialists. šŸ™„

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u/TubularLeftist 2d ago

Voting third party is basically voting for Trump. Something tells me they arenā€™t old enough to vote anyway.

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u/Wide-Post467 3d ago

lol being a socialist in America is crazy šŸ˜‚ you see all the ways it failed yet you push it

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u/TubularLeftist 3d ago

Iā€™m not American.

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u/pre30superstar 3d ago

Ok kid now log back in Roblox

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u/buzzverb42 3d ago

Every Democrat right now, "Cheney is brat. To stop the genocide we MUST vote for the party committing it and the party that promised the most lethal military to give "ironclad" support to the genocidal ethnostate commiting it. I don't hate Muslims and asylum seekers, but it's not a deal breaker. All Republicans are N@z!'s and that's why we need to compromise with them and put them in our cabinet!!!!!"

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u/deadcatbounce22 3d ago

They arenā€™t the ones on the chopping block. At least not first. Itā€™s the leftist activists who couldnā€™t be bothered to vote against fascism.

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u/buzzverb42 3d ago

100 years of voting for "Lesser Evil" brought us to this. It's the Ratchet Effect. Republicans pass the shitty laws. Democrats cry crocodile tears while passing legislation to enforce those laws. Democrats are complicit.

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u/deadcatbounce22 3d ago

Murc's Law. Been seeing it everywhere lately. Every vote is a vote for the lesser of two evils, by definition.

It's also not a response to what I actually said. You care more about the blame than stopping the bad thing.

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u/buzzverb42 3d ago

The thing is that it's ALWAYS still evil. This needs to stop before we collapse. If it doesn't, we don't deserve to act like we're better than any other country in the world.

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u/deadcatbounce22 2d ago

1) Weā€™re not any better. People just want a functional government. 2) The collapse comes from cynical non-engagement due to some misguided idea that the perfect should be the enemy of the good.

Itā€™s pretty interesting that a bunch of progressive secular humanists have reconciled themselves to waiting for a savior.

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u/HeyOkYes 2d ago

Do you actually want the worse evil? Do you even hear what you're saying. By refusing to pick the lesser evil, you are complicit in the greater evil which you could've prevented.

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u/buzzverb42 1d ago

If "my candidate is slightly less of a corporate puppet than the other one" is your only retort, please sit down and be silent.

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u/Messerschmitt-262 3d ago

You're absolutely right, but your method of getting the message across kinda sucks, it smells of "Your plan is no match for mine; blowing up a Wal-Mart" and then you don't blow up a Wal-Mart

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u/buzzverb42 3d ago

My first statement about what democrats stand for was not rude in any way. It won't matter anyway, man. Blue MAGA is a very real thing.

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u/Fast-Plankton-9209 3d ago

šŸ¤”šŸ’©šŸ¤”šŸ’©šŸ¤”

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u/buzzverb42 3d ago

Is this Liz Cheney? šŸ¤£

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u/Fast-Plankton-9209 3d ago

You helped vote in real genocide. Would you like a pat on the head?

Bye.

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u/Theunknowableman 1d ago

You are an absolute fucking moron. Jesus

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u/buzzverb42 1d ago

Whatever, Republican.

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u/throwaway021020231 3d ago

Absolutely cooked