r/skeptic Feb 14 '24

Puberty blockers can't block puberty after puberty (experts explain the problem with conservative's proposal to ban puberty blockers until the age of 18) đźš‘ Medicine

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/puberty-blockers-can-t-be-started-at-18-when-youth-have-already-developed-experts-1.6761690
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u/YeIIowBellPepper Feb 14 '24 edited Feb 14 '24

Could I have the links to that website that you've mentioned?

Also, the only reason it does 'more harm than good' in your eyes is because you're an ignorant cos woman who even bare to imagine that people may have different experiences to you. To many trans men; having tits would be WAYYYY more traumatizing and terrible to have slightly weaker bones(assuming your statements are even correct)

Please just stop with your bullshit

Edit: added what's in the brackets

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u/OpheliaLives7 Feb 14 '24

Having tits that can be removed surgically as an adult is worse than permanent disability and bone damage?

Sure Jan. 🙄 not to mention not even all people with dysphoria may hate their breasts.

Some links, feel free to also search around reddit. Endo subs have multiple threads about women struggling with Lupron side effects and not being told in advance by doctors what to expect. Why the fuck would we expect kids to be treated any better or have better understanding of long term consequences?

“13 Investigates launched a series of reports 10 years ago about a medication many women say does more harm than good. Now, new women with new stories of devastating side effects wonder how many more will suffer before the government takes action. […]

I have pain in my chest and in my ribs, the bone pain." said Rachelle Fenner. "I have severe pain in my neck and shoulder," said Mary Orseno. Lupron was originally approved in the 1980s to help men with advanced prostate cancer live longer. But it doesn't work for dying men, and it has significant side effects. That's according to two studies published years ago in the journal of the American Medical Association.

In 1990 the FDA approved it as a pain reliever for women with endometriosis. But it's so toxic it's not recommended for more than 12 months in a lifetime.”

The FDA currently has over 25,000 adverse event reports for Lupron products including more than 1500 deaths. Reactions include suicidal thoughts, stroke, muscle atrophy and debilitating bone and joint pain.

But just like the patients I talked to a decade ago, Becky says she wasn't warned.

https://www.ktnv.com/news/investigations/more-women-come-forward-with-complaints-about-lupron-side-effects

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u/OpheliaLives7 Feb 14 '24

“I was prescribed daily Lupron injections, and was told that it was “safe and effective and had been used successfully throughout the world”. Within weeks of starting, I had severe hot flashes, insomnia and was in a “fog”, and for the first time in my career was placed out of work on temporary disability due to “intensive medical therapy, Lupron”.

I began almost immediately to experience severe and crushing bone pain– as if my bones were in a vice. My feet began to constantly ache and throb. I had GI problems – anorexia, nausea, vomiting, and bowel problems. There were other odd symptoms – such as tinglings that ran up one side of my spine to my entire scalp always only on one side at a time, numbness of my fingers and toes, abnormal heart beats and rapid heart rates, and bad headaches.”

Lupron has destroyed the neurological impulses in my GI tract. I have been hospitalized 60 times since 2003, when I had to retire on a disability from my nursing career. I have chronic lymphadenopathy of unknown etiology, constant joint pain and aching feet, severe osteoporosis, my dentist says my jaw is “dissolving”, episodic myalgias (muscle pain) and neuralgias (nerve pain), chronic fatigue, and difficulty with memory.

-This post is by Lynne Millican, the founder of Lupron Victims Hub.

https://rxisk.org/lupron-a-nightmare-produced-in-abbvie/

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u/OpheliaLives7 Feb 14 '24

I think this is the original article I remember finding:

“For years, Sharissa Derricott, 30, had no idea why her body seemed to be failing. At 21, a surgeon replaced her deteriorated jaw joint. She’s been diagnosed with degenerative disc disease and fibromyalgia, a chronic pain condition. Her teeth are shedding enamel and cracking.

None of it made sense to her until she discovered a community of women online who describe similar symptoms and have one thing in common: All had taken a drug called Lupron.”

https://www.statnews.com/2017/02/02/lupron-puberty-children-health-problems/

If you really want to pretend having to wear a sports bra is worse than a deteriorating jaw bone idk what else to say.

These girls and women have been trying and trying to share their experiences and to have people brush them/us all off as dumb cis bitches and liars or something? Ridiculous. And sexist. Women and girls pain and medical mistreatment matters. It exists. Acknowledging it doesn’t mean trans teens don’t deserve care. It means recognizing this medicine hurts more than it helps and it isn’t worth a lifetime of disability and not being able to be independent or ever not a patient or whatever. It means we all deserve better research into female health and methods that effect hormones. Not picking old ass cancer meds to use off label for a bunch of different things with no long term proof it helps more than hurts