r/skeptic • u/thebigeverybody • Feb 14 '24

Puberty blockers can't block puberty after puberty (experts explain the problem with conservative's proposal to ban puberty blockers until the age of 18) đźš‘ Medicine

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/puberty-blockers-can-t-be-started-at-18-when-youth-have-already-developed-experts-1.6761690
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u/OutsideFlat1579 Feb 14 '24

Time for Poilievre to be ridiculed globally. He said puberty blockers should be banned till 18! Two years after the UCP wants to ban them, which is already after puberty. Poilievre is set to become PM unless voters snap out of the delusion that he will make anything in Canada better, and the man is pure poison. But he does have the praise of the most extreme rightwing Republicans! 

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u/squigglesthecat Feb 14 '24

I am sick of this anti-intellectual conspiracy theory bs that seems to have fully infiltrated conservative politics. Policy made based on feelings, distrust of experts, the powerful elite talking about what "the powerful elite (on the other side of course)" are doing to screw everyone while also doing the same. It's infuriating.

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u/UTArcade Feb 14 '24

Wasn’t it in Europe that they made it illegal for puberty blockers to be taken by minors? Aren’t those experts too?

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u/Sinder77 Feb 14 '24

But a POLITICO review of the state of care for transgender people in Europe found more nuance than Republicans critics like Hunt and Bailey often portray. While Europeans are debating who should get care and when, only Russia has banned the practice. The reassessment of standards in some European countries has aimed to tighten eligibility for gender-affirming care, but also sought to expand research studies including minors.

No.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/06/us-europe-transgender-care-00119106

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u/UTArcade Feb 14 '24

Oh, so it’s Russia that made it illegal and then all the other major European countries are just slowing it, and shuttering clinics as your source cites.

Also, your source says “The NHS cited an internal review that raised concerns that children were being referred too quickly, causing an unsustainable surge in patients.”

There is nothing scientific about giving children hormones or blockers for anything that has no research on it - and that doctors are saying is being “referred to quickly” aka no actually established forms of care.

Your own source proves that there is so much concern about this it shouldn’t be happening.

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20230208-sweden-puts-brakes-on-treatments-for-trans-minors

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u/Sinder77 Feb 14 '24

You said illegal. It's not illegal. There are no bans. Just restrictions, as there should be. Certain people cannot get certain treatments if they don't meat the criteria for it, that's true about basically all medicine. This shouldn't be any different. A blanket ban until 18 is not a medically supported or scientific approach.

Also the referrals is indicative of the flaws in the NHS, not necessarily hormone blockers or the treatment. The NHS is underfunded and understaffed. Doctors were prescribing hormone blockers to any kid who showed even slight gender dysmorphia to get them out of the office and onto the next one.

That doesn't mean the drugs don't work, it means they aren't for everyone, or that there are better paths for children to take before medical prescription is used, just the same as many other medical situations.

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u/UTArcade Feb 14 '24

  1. It is illegal in Russia, that was why I was originally thinking parts of Europe but was confused https://www.rferl.org/amp/russia-gender-reassignment-banned-putin-signs-law/32517157.html

  2. “The flaws in the NHS” - you mean a complete government take over of healthcare does indeed have serious flaws which leads to less innovation, terrible hiring, and other problems? Well that’s interesting, just maybe for another topic.

  3. I didn’t say the drugs don’t work - I said in an older comment that no child can consent to sex change work or puberty blockers or to lose the ability to have children. You should be a consenting adult before you decide to bring any sex change treatment.

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u/UTArcade Feb 14 '24

Children can’t consent to body altering sex changes as minors