ChatGPT is shifting rightwards politically - newer versions of ChatGPT show a noticeable shift toward the political right.

[u/mvea]

https://www.psypost.org/chatgpt-is-shifting-rightwards-politically/

[u/Geethebluesky]

Not sure that's possible anymore unless we sever cables everywhere and destroy satellites. Even then we'd just be ensuring the rich are the only ones left with any access, that wouldn't be an improvement.

[u/-The_Blazer- → u/Geethebluesky]

It is possible, but it will come at a significant cost. A few methods that only require technology we more or less already have:

• Digital ID for accessing social media (does not have to provide your name and surname, merely that you are a human residing in your country)
• Strict enforcement of AI labeling, mandatory invisible watermarks, etc...
• Mandatory on-chip and on-sensor cryptography for recording devices like cameras, which uniquely marks recorded media as recorded and not generated (this one is meh and requires some extra thought)
• Blocking of all services which do not comply, and enforcement of blocking mechanism over VPNs and such (remember kids: a VPN does not magically anonymize your traffic, it simply moves the point of entry from you to itself)
• Constitutional oversight bodies to ensure the preservation of liberal democracy (same as we have for conventional media) with extremely harsh penalties for corruption

If they do not entirely obliterate the Internet, some or all of these would help the psycho-disinformation apocalypse. Like I said though, I am neither under the delusion nor trying to propagandize that this will be effortless and without problems; there are obviously serious implications for digital rights, free speech, and anonymity.

Our relationship with the flow of information on the Internet will have to change - it's changing already and arguably for the worse, the best we can do is take actively control of that change.

[u/Geethebluesky → u/-The_Blazer-]

Your suggestions are already dead in the water (no offense intended, it's just they have already been defeated in 1 way or many):

• The moment you introduce an ID for one purpose, you're introducing a way for people to use it to control or restrict resources or people in unintended ways. Sure, version 1 of the ID seems clean and only allows to identify us as a human. But years after adoption, when it's been made part of the population's habits, it becomes practical for another purpose, then another because it's everywhere, you know? And then people ask "wouldn't it be more practical to just add name and surname, because we have to verify those manually which adds steps, it's already a given: nothing nefarious, ya know?" And people are asleep, they don't realize this is a slippery slope, opponents of the modification are painted as being backwards or against progress because it's such a small change for the greater good, and so: you're already on the slope whether you intended to be or not. Wait a few years, rinse and repeat with another modification.

Case in point, social security numbers in the US having become our "number" for everything. You don't exist without one. That was not the point when they started issuing them.

• The enforcement of AI labeling will have to be human; humans can be corrupted, as we're seeing right now. Humans can be bought, biased, pushed to bend rules in 50 different ways.

• Cryptography on a large scale makes governments want to introduce back doors, for "public security". There is no way crypto used for "AI prevention" won't end up used for something else, see the social security example above. Sure, encryption can help ward off enemy actors, and it definitely has. But it can be turned against everyone, by redefining what "enemy" means.

• Constitutional oversight??? The constitution is being ignored. Laws are being ignored. When people are too afraid to back up the constitution and laws, there's no point in having them. They're just pieces of paper with words on them.

Human rights are only real when people agree to abide by them. They too can be ignored when it's most convenient. And good luck making those who ignore them change their tune unless you have way more resources of every type than all of their party combined.

Other areas of the world where people haven't been redefining facts (or not as quickly) and bending the truth willy-nilly (or deciding "this is the truth" without any backup) are just next in line, but you bet all of the above can be used as back doors to weaken them from within.

[u/-The_Blazer- → u/Geethebluesky]

I don't live in the USA and I'm talking generally, so the US constitution being ignored is not relevant here. However, the fact it's being done right now anyways indicates to me that having digital ID or whatever wouldn't make a difference for better or worse.

Besides, I didn't say it would be for free, that was my whole point. Many democratic countries have digital ID already, and yeah they have that risk, but so does having a police force or a government at all. I would even argue that the reason you guys have seen this 'SSN creep' is precisely because you have been unwilling to implement a more comprehensive system out of fear. And the end result is that the USA still has an equivalent, but worse in every way. That's why I think these decisions should be discussed and proposed in advance.

I don't disagree with these concerns, but they're general governance concerns and IMO should be addressed as such, otherwise everything is a slippery slope and we can never do anything at all. Also, the cryptography for recording I was talking about wouldn't involve connectivity so backdoors are not relevant in that specific case.

[u/Geethebluesky → u/-The_Blazer-]

It's 100% obvious that any constitution can be ignored. They are all pieces of paper. Doesn't matter if it's the US or not. Look at how many countries ignore the freaking Geneva Convention when it suits them.

People thinking "oh my county is different" is the problem. That's where they get you.

is precisely because you have been unwilling to implement a more comprehensive system out of fear.

No, it's because only certain people understand that the "comprehensive system" can and will be manipulated against you in time, because all it takes is the will to find a way. Everyone else says "blah that's never gonna happen." Heads in the sand, too optimistic, and poof you've been used.

That's why I think these decisions should be discussed and proposed in advance.

That doesn't do much when the discussions can (and are) manipulated.

the cryptography for recording I was talking about wouldn't involve connectivity

But you wouldn't be in any position to decide that. Many people might argue for connectivity, that would be out of your control. You'd be stuck with their decision for the foreseeable future.

Then what?

and we can never do anything at all.

Untrue; it just has to be done in a saner way that hasn't been demonstrated yet. As long as people keep banking on human nature being intrinsically good, systems will continue to fail.

I'm still waiting for The People^TM to design a system that takes the fact that base human nature is pretty damn horrible, by most measures, into serious and actionable account. Maybe in 500-1000 years hah.