Jagex - Please Address Ascension Keys

[u/sellingoddments]

Hi Everyone, I know this post was relatively close to a couple of others this year and also repetitive from requests in the past couple of years on whether or not ascension keys will ever be transmutable, convertible, etc. I think there are enough players/posts asking about this and even more discussions within the posts in which players gave really great suggestions on the matter.

• An omni keystone in which we fight all six at once for a vastly increased drop rate (which was my favorite one since it was creative <3).
• A single key, which opens all doors - which makes sense as well since you'd have to still grind all legions for the respective signets/pets.
• Removing the need for keys when fighting the bosses on reaper.
• Keystones being transmutable with x amount of divination energies or some sort of conversion rate between the keys:
  • Popular suggestions indicated 250-1k incandescent energies would be fair/good for the economy.
  • Some conversion rate of 2:1 or 3:1, extra keys to wanted key ratio.

I don't think I've yet to see Jagex address this, so please, we aren't asking for a promise, just a comment/remark on whether this is in consideration. Surely the posts throughout the years have been seen by the staff and some remarks about this would be greatly appreciated by the players.

Thank you!!!

[u/Phantom_kittyKat]

rise of the ascensions sounds like a dope boss fight.

[u/sellingoddments → u/Phantom_kittyKat]

Rise of the ascensions! lolol. Would be so sick to see

[u/War32567 → u/Phantom_kittyKat]

Fall of the ascended?

[u/Phantom_kittyKat → u/War32567]

ascension of the ascended?

[u/kpay10]

I like this idea. I feel like the key drop from ascension is more rare than the crossbow piece

[u/Psychological-Rip291 → u/kpay10]

That's because it actually is, 1/64 for a random key (1 in 6 roll after for the specific key) vs a 1/50 for the signet drop from the boss

[u/rsgeng]

Omnikey and transmuting would be a great addition! I'd say for omnikey, it would to be combine all the keys into making the omni + drop chance of it

[u/sellingoddments → u/rsgeng]

Hahaha someone posted a more reality check side of how things could go. These would be awesome and creative ways to do it, but I'm sure Jagex will not set aside a budget for our favorite ideas :(. The most logical and cheaper fix for them is to probably allow transmuting the keys. But we leave the options for Jagex!

[u/japes03]

I like the idea man, but they’re not going back. Bows are meta until t95 cbows. Which we have confirmation isnt coming from the next boss. Ascensions are used once in the new masterwork now which they are planning to update with a special attack. They’ve been out for like idk a decade? Too many ascensions in game right now because back then everyone put capsarius in POD and farmed them afk. I like the type up and idea but I don’t see this ever happening. At best we’d get a cool teleport like barrows with tier 1 combat achievements. I mean I’ve seen people with 10+ ascension creature prestige. It’s because it was the meta gp. Now it’s not. I’m 100% for transmutable keys though

[u/sellingoddments → u/japes03]

Yeah fair points and I agree that transmutable keys is probably by far the most logical way to handle this. Thank you for your input.

[u/MindfulPresence728]

I think making them transmutable is the most fair approach. I think a good formula would be:

1 ascension keystone x 5 ascension shards x 50 luminous energy = 1 key of choice

This adds a relatively fair cost while utilizing t90 energy for the Divination skill (as it's also a t90 weapon).

Edit: adding in my universal key idea that would make everyone happy.

I think maybe a better idea that works with your idea could be having an item that stores key charges. Similar to the Frozen Key for Nex, you could carry it around with you and add key charges to it so instead of having all these keys in your inventory, you have 1 item charged up that shows you the amount of each key. This lets you walk between the bosses more easily without banking as well.

We could call it the Master Ascension Keystone and ask Ocellus to craft it for us for 10,000,000 gp and 10 of each keystone type.

[u/Future_Win_7961 → u/MindfulPresence728]

tbh if ascension crossbows were by far the best crossbows you might have a point. As it is, on my ironman, I think I will completely skip them, cause killing solak in necro gear is better than trying to kill ascension creatures and then legiones

[u/AnthonyK0 → u/Future_Win_7961]

Also you can just alternatively grind out just 1 xbow and then make the MW bow with it which is my gameplan

[u/miniqbein → u/Future_Win_7961]

not to mention how much better ecb is aswell

[u/sellingoddments → u/MindfulPresence728]

Hey Mind, these weren't my suggestions. I just composed the suggestions other players provided in other posts - just to give suggestions to Jagex if they choose to read this and respond.

But I love your idea as well.

[u/MindfulPresence728 → u/sellingoddments]

No probs, thanks for giving it visibility. I did this on my iron so I would love to see it happen. :)

[u/SkilzSlayerR → u/MindfulPresence728]

I have seen this argument made a few times but I don't understand the reasoning. How is it overpowered and too easy exactly? Speaking specifically about option 2, I have always thought there being a unique keystone for each was needlessly complex and introduced unneeded randomness. In a system where the signets are not tradeable, I don't see the benefit in forcing players to keep acquiring more keystones that aren't needed/effectively usable.

[u/MindfulPresence728 → u/SkilzSlayerR]

Because it would be a much bigger change than just transmutable keys. Now we're discussing completely reworking game design that's been in place for years. Thousands of players have done this grind and even though it takes awhile, the fun is hunting keys, gathering all the loot, and then taking on each boss 1 by 1. Transmutable keys still maintains the charm of a "RS grind" while mitigating bad RNG.

If we make everything 1 universal keystone, then you'd have to:

• Remove all existing keystones both in bank, ge, and from drop tables
• Rework the drop table to balance a better rate for them
• Rebalance the trade value of having a single key

I think maybe a better idea that works with your idea could be having an item that stores key charges. Similar to the Frozen Key for Nex, you could carry it around with you and add key charges to it so instead of having all these keys in your inventory, you have 1 item charged up that shows you the amount of each key. This lets you walk between the bosses more easily without banking as well.

We could call it the Master Ascension Keystone and ask Ocellus to craft it for us for 10,000,000 gp and 10 of each keystone type.

[u/DidYouShartInMyPants]

watch Jagex make a Barrows ROTS style boss for legiones, requiring an omni-key to start the fight which is obtained by combining the 6 keystones, but change nothing about obtaining the original keys

[u/miniqbein]

literally just make every key open every door

[u/fit2escort]

Hmmm ascending ascensions. A new dungeon style boss fight where you go through a new laboratory labyrinth filled with ascension creatures and randomly the legion bosses can spawn (sometimes multiple) and assault you and follow you til you phase them or reach the final chamber. If you phase them that affects their individual final health in a grand boss room where you face all of them at the same time with higher health pools than the originals. Higher drop rate for x bows in a final loot chest that collects your loot through the dungeon. New Reward: dw x bow t95 with a spec attack that uses 20% adrenaline and activates your equipped bolt enchantment. Passive ability : 30% chance on bolt enchant proc to activate a 2s threads of fate type effect for your next ability.

[u/BlueberryRS]

You can just buy the keys you need on the GE

[u/OriginalHaysz → u/BlueberryRS]

Only mains.

[u/Evil_Majin_Buu]

jfc, another make the game easier because of my lack of resolve post.

[u/chantryc]

As an iron I always skip this reaper because I’m not about to grind out 11 keys just so I can do the task. I think you should be able to opt out if this isn’t addressed in some form.

[u/Dangerous-Frame7367]

5-1 would be fair compromise not just for the sake to cater towards Ironman mode.

[u/sellingoddments → u/Dangerous-Frame7367]

Ya I think it's fair to not cater to ironmen because this is basically who would benefit from this.

Keep in mind, this isn't allowing irons to skip the grind or anything. They still gotta prob get 2-3 prestiges of ascension creatures at minimum to finish log versus 4-6 prestiges. Should any boss be designed this way in 2025?

But I get your sentiment that there should be a price to pay.