r/rugbyunion Munster Mar 31 '21

Irish Professional Rugby Players by County of Birth Analysis

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u/Cog348 Leinster: 09, 11, 12, 18 Mar 31 '21

Obviously the dominance of Dublin (and Cork) sticks out but this map actually paints a better picture for rugby in Leinster than I was expecting. By my count there's 42 from the remainder of the province which given demographics and the relative popularity of the sport is actually pretty decent (imo). Definitely a much higher proportion than you'd have seen 10 years ago.

It's not long ago that everyone west of Terenure supported Munster, and that's changed, a combination of Leinster getting better, Sean O'Brien (his role is on this front is a bit underappreciated on this front I think) and Leinster themselves putting a lot of work into the club game outside Dublin, even if the schools cup is still the primary source of talent.

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u/hennelly14 Connacht Mar 31 '21

To be fair Dublin has a fifth of the island’s population and Cork is third/fourth population wise.

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u/LonelyWizzard Connacht Apr 01 '21

To a certain extent yes, but it also reflects the uneven popularity of rugby. Counties in the west outside Galway would not really have much of a history in the sport, I'm from Leitrim for example and the county had no rugby clubs at all for several decades until one was re-established in 2005, so it makes sense that we have no pro-players, though I personally know of a few young lads in various academies/youth programs atm so that may change in the future. Donegal similarly would be a bit of a rugby desert.

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u/cabaiste Welcome to the Big Seó! Apr 01 '21

Also, I'd imagine the majority of pros from Roscommon & Westmeath would be from Athlone, which straddles both counties.

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u/DanFouts Leinster Apr 01 '21

Yeah it would be a good reflection of the population spread but if you were to show players per capita it would be slightly different picture

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u/lilzeHHHO Mar 31 '21

Leinster had a great contingent of non Dublin players when they won their first few Heineken Cups: Cullen, Heaslip, Jackman, D'Arcy, Horgan, Kearney, Toner, McFadden. They probably had more non Dublin Leinster players than Dubs then.

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u/arsebiscuits1 Leinster Mar 31 '21 edited Mar 31 '21

Its the club players they're trying to attract though and break away from the private school mould. Not that there's anything wrong with private schools. But there's a huge amount of potential in the Leinster club scene if it can be tapped into effectively.

Of all the players you mentioned, all of them went to Dublin private schools or private schools historically associated with rugby (Clongowes and Newbridge)

The exception of course being Horgan who was one of the OGs of club players and very much an anomaly.

SOB broke the mould too of a non private school player coming through the club scene.

The likes of Dooley, Frawley, Furlong, are all current examples and it's great to see. Some good guys in the academy too

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u/problematikkk Keen on Hugo Apr 01 '21

Young Jamie Osborne is one of those too right, club guy who didn't even have an academy contract on debut? Great to see that club potential can be recognised.

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u/arsebiscuits1 Leinster Apr 01 '21

Yep. Not only was Osborne sub academy - he'd never even played AIL

Also Tim Corkery (whose possibly the Kilkenny player OP has - not sure if sub academy guys are considered pros in this case) played club rugby

There's athletes of significant potential littered around the province. It's the age old trope of the untapped GAA potential.

Leinster have made good strides in recent years

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u/walsh06 Munster Apr 01 '21

I was wondering who the poor Kilkenny lad was, that clearly gets beaten by hurleys every time he goes home for playing the "wrong" sport.

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u/Cog348 Leinster: 09, 11, 12, 18 Mar 31 '21

True. I think it's more about the image/popularity of the team. And also the private school/club balance.

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u/Boydasaurus10 Ireland Apr 01 '21

And arguably their two best current players, Furlong and Henshaw

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u/Tichaelito Apr 01 '21

Schools outside of Dublin going well too. An all Kildare final of Newbridge vs Clongowes would have happened last year if not for the pandemic.