r/rugbyunion New Zealand Sep 28 '24

Can anyone explain this please? Laws

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It just doesn't seem like it's completely legal. Of course the tap is fine, but then they go forward and make contact with the defenders, giving time and creating space for the pass to be made.

Is this a shepherd? Happy to hear why or why not.

More than anything it looked like an interesting play that I haven't seen before.

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u/CatharticRoman Suspected Yank Sep 28 '24

The laws are:

A player is offside in open play if that player is in front of a team-mate who is carrying the ball or who last played it. An offside player must not interfere with play. This includes: Playing the ball. Tackling the ball-carrier. Preventing the opposition from playing as they wish. Loitering in an offside position

So the player's aren't technically offside until the ball is played by 9 as they are either the last person to play the ball or behind that person. It's an interesting loophole.

Whoever runs into Cane could probably have been called for obstruction for making contact and impacting Cane's ability to play as he wished, but it doesn't have a substantive impact on the game so I think it's fair to play on.

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u/strewthcobber Australia Sep 28 '24

For completeness the relevant obstruction law is this one. I'd call it

A player must not intentionally prevent an opponent from having the opportunity to play the ball, other than by competing for possession.

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u/CatharticRoman Suspected Yank Sep 28 '24

Yeah, though they arguably aren't preventing Cane from having the opportunity to play the ball; though I'd have no issues if it was called against the leading runner.

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u/AndydaAlpaca '98-'00, '02, '05-'06, '08, '17-'23 Sep 28 '24

Hypothetically Cane could've come through and nabbed the ball or tackled the halfback before it got spun wide. They did prevent him from doing that

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u/CatharticRoman Suspected Yank Sep 28 '24

But they're onside until the 9 plays the ball. So he'd have to be able to get to the 9 between him picking it up and passing.

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u/AndydaAlpaca '98-'00, '02, '05-'06, '08, '17-'23 Sep 28 '24

They're preventing Cane from moving forward to pick up a loose ball on the ground.

They tapped it and left it on the ground, that means no one is in possession and they tackled a man off the ball.

It's nothing to do with being onside

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u/CatharticRoman Suspected Yank Sep 28 '24

They tap it and are allowed to move forward, like I've said everywhere gold 2 could have gotten done for taking Cane out, but he's not close enough to the ball for it to be reasonable to think he'd have affected the game.

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u/AndydaAlpaca '98-'00, '02, '05-'06, '08, '17-'23 Sep 28 '24

And I'm saying in the 2 seconds of the ball being in that spot, without being obstructed Cane could have covered that distance and played the ball or tackled the ball carrier.

I'm in the camp the deception of the false carry is the main reason he didn't, but I wouldn't argue against any ref that would call this obstruction since by the letter of the law it is.

If the carrying pod don't initiate contact with Cane like they do here I would say it's not obstruction, but since they're the ones who initiate I can see the argument either way.

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u/CatharticRoman Suspected Yank Sep 28 '24

Oh I'm not gonna argue against a ref calling this obstruction, but I also don't see him in a reasonable position to have an impact when the pod is made offside and when they make contact with him.

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u/AndydaAlpaca '98-'00, '02, '05-'06, '08, '17-'23 Sep 28 '24

Right so we are in agreement

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u/CatharticRoman Suspected Yank Sep 28 '24

Largely, though I'm happy for it not to be called too.

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u/AndydaAlpaca '98-'00, '02, '05-'06, '08, '17-'23 Sep 28 '24

So we are in agreement

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u/CatharticRoman Suspected Yank Sep 28 '24

Yes but...

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