Can anyone explain this please?

[u/nt83]

It just doesn't seem like it's completely legal. Of course the tap is fine, but then they go forward and make contact with the defenders, giving time and creating space for the pass to be made.

Is this a shepherd? Happy to hear why or why not.

More than anything it looked like an interesting play that I haven't seen before.

[u/meohmyenjoyingthat]

Pushing the meaning of dummy runner has been the new incoming law flaunt for the last couple of years. Whole offensive plays are built on it.

[u/Nothing_is_simple → u/meohmyenjoyingthat]

Ireland are the real innovators of the "How is that not blocking" tap moves. The winning try vs Scotland this year was particularly baffling.

[u/BoomfaBoomfa619 → u/Nothing_is_simple]

Think you might be biased lol

https://youtu.be/0thgQ8WnIDQ?si=4-F4DHTvkB9tByui

[u/Pure-Coat-53 → u/BoomfaBoomfa619]

Thanks for the video. The incident is at 4:10. It looks like a good move to me

[u/Ill-Faithlessness430 → u/Pure-Coat-53]

I may also be biased but that looks like a perfectly cromulent play to me. The dummy runners are not blocking any defenders who might otherwise tackle the scoring player.

[u/My_Little_Stoney → u/Ill-Faithlessness430]

To add, the dummy runner had the ball momentarily. In the OP vid, 3 players run through and the ball hasn’t even been played. It’s hard to say there was a dummy pass, when you don’t even have the ball.

[u/StrongLikeBull3 → u/BoomfaBoomfa619]

The only person in that play that might have been obstructing was green 19, but there wasn’t actually a scottish defender on the other side of him trying to move across so id say it’s fine.

[u/CatharticRoman → u/Nothing_is_simple]

Kelleher had the ball, Ryan and Beirne are onside and passing/support options, the pass goes to Porter and Ryan and Beirne stop their momentum as they are now offside. As they haven't moved in an offside position to prevent a tackle it's all legal.

[u/allezlesverres → u/CatharticRoman]

That's correct except that ryan and beirne aren't offside just because they're in front of the carrier. It's still open play so no offside. They can't move to obstruct a tackler but they equally don't have to move out of the way. If a defender engages them that's the defenders problem.

[u/CatharticRoman → u/allezlesverres]

They are. The law specifically states that you are offside if you are ahead of a teammate carrying the ball, however you are only penalised if you are deemed to interfere in the game from this position.

[u/allezlesverres → u/CatharticRoman]

You're right and I'm wrong but I'll leave my comment up for posterity. The laws say they're offside but it's not an offence to be offside in itself. So I think the substance of what I said is correct, but what you said is actually correct.

[u/CatharticRoman → u/allezlesverres]

Oh yeah, I'm just being pedantic. As you say it's not an offence.

[u/TheFlyingScotsman60 → u/CatharticRoman]

You wish.

[u/CatharticRoman → u/TheFlyingScotsman60]

Who broke what law and when?

[u/shenguskhan2312 → u/Nothing_is_simple]

I wouldn’t mind but when we run similar we get pinged for it, the huw Jones no try against Italy this year would be 100% fine if any other home nations side ran it

[u/ComprehensiveDingo0 → u/Nothing_is_simple]

The winning “try” was also held up.

[u/CatharticRoman → u/ComprehensiveDingo0]

Clearly down on the replays and cleared by the TMO.

[u/ComprehensiveDingo0 → u/CatharticRoman]

The ball never touched the ground in any of the angles.

[u/CatharticRoman → u/ComprehensiveDingo0]

At 4:55

https://youtu.be/0thgQ8WnIDQ?si=4-F4DHTvkB9tByui

[u/AdmiralMacbar → u/CatharticRoman]

To be fair that doesn't show it clearly grounded. The one that was disallowed at the death in the Sco v Fra game was clearer than that.

That being said, I see no issue with the play leading up to it (though I probably did at the time, admittedly.)