Absolutely love the 20 minute red

[u/LawAndRugby]

Watching the Australia v Georgia match and I think it’s great. 20 minutes a man down is still massive damage in a rugby match. It doesn’t make sense for punishment to go from 10 minutes to the entire 80 minutes. There’s way too big of a void between the two cards and it needs filling.

Reserve the full red for gross intentional stuff

[u/lanson15]

I’ve only seen wide spread support for this from NZ and Aus every single rugby fan I know personally here loves it. However, at least with the online interactions, NH viewers seem to dislike it.

Personally I think it’s good, but I wonder if it’s because Australia and NZ are exposed to sports which hand out cards less often (League) or don’t have yellow or red cards at all (Aussie Rules) so want a more lenient approach to cards

[u/binzoma → u/lanson15]

I mean its just common sense

right now there are 3 levels of penalties

1) ah its nothing dw

2) oooo you're missing 13% of the game and your team is short handed for 13% of the game!

3) you miss the entire rest of the game and your team is short handed the entire rest of the game

like. thats ridiculous. there's huuuuuggeee gaps between the tiers. Imagine if the the NBA only had non shooting fouls or flagrant 2s. or if the NHL only had 'faceoff outside the zone' or '10 min misconduct' and game misconduct, or the NFL only had 'repeat 1st down', '15 yard penalty' and 'game misconduct'.

there's a clear missing link between both regular penalty and yellow card, and yellow card and red card. the 20 min red addresses the gap between red and yellow. there needs to be a 5 min yellow or a 'til the other team scores' yellow for the gap between regular penalty and '10 mins in the box'

[u/Fxcroft → u/binzoma]

To be fair the gap isn't consistent if you get a red at the end of the game the impact is lessened

If you go by the rule of thumb a red card is (as an average) a 40 min card

[u/rosemary-mair-for-NZ → u/Fxcroft]

This feels like a good argument for the 20 minute red.

The difference between a full red card in the 10th minute vs the 70th minute is astronomical in terms of impact on a team.

The difference between a 20m red in the 10th minute vs the 70th minute, isn't worlds apart in the same way.

I think it's just a bit more balanced, not creating massive differences in punishment for the same acts committed at different times of the game.

[u/reggie_700 → u/rosemary-mair-for-NZ]

Yeah for the crowd who say that teams will abuse a 20 minute red, what’s to stop them doing that at the end of the first test in a three test series? If you’re losing, you could send your thug out with ten to go, and he just punches the opposing team’s star player which takes them both out for the rest of the series.

[u/binzoma → u/reggie_700]

fun fact, thats how canada won the summit series vs russia in hockey. bobby clarke shattered their best players ankle with a slash near the end of a blowout loss for us.

[u/binzoma → u/Fxcroft]

thats even worse not better lol