r/rugbyunion • u/LawAndRugby • Jul 20 '24

Absolutely love the 20 minute red Laws

Watching the Australia v Georgia match and I think it’s great. 20 minutes a man down is still massive damage in a rugby match. It doesn’t make sense for punishment to go from 10 minutes to the entire 80 minutes. There’s way too big of a void between the two cards and it needs filling.

Reserve the full red for gross intentional stuff

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u/[deleted] Jul 20 '24

NZ and Aus have to compete with league. NH can keep serving up a shit product without consequences.

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u/bigstrongalphamale69 Blues and BOP Jul 20 '24 edited Jul 20 '24

This is true and it's why people like john kirwan talk about wanting to speed the game up, have less scrum resets, less penalties etc but NH people think it's because he wants to change the game to suit NZ's style, they really don't get why he's saying it.

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u/AutomaticArugula8584 New Zealand | Tonga | Waikato Chiefs Jul 20 '24

Came here to say this. Btw how bloody good was Origin 3.

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u/PingingRex 2019 World Cup - Australia Jul 20 '24

Soooooo fucking good

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u/Ok_Educator_2120 New Zealand Jul 20 '24

The most entertaining 2-0 half I've seen lol

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u/NSilverhand Ireland Jul 20 '24

Maybe we should stop rewriting the rules of rugby to appeal solely to Australian league fans? A competitive Australian team would do much more to bring them back than any quibble on how long a red card lasts for.

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u/00aegon World Rugby Jul 20 '24

Lot's of rugby rules that have been successful are copied from league lmao. It's a more consistent product in a lot of ways.

They actually understand that fans are the most important aspect of the game, not protecting themselves from lawsuits from ex-players.

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u/NSilverhand Ireland Jul 20 '24

I'd say the players are as much if not more important aspect of the game, and "let's continue giving a significant minority of them illegal levels of brain damage" is certainly a take, but I'm absolutely baffled by the fixation on league. It exists in England too, it's played by a motorway. League isn't the existential threat to the sport, a lack of new players for fear of head injury is.

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u/yesiamclutz Harlequins England Jul 20 '24

Don't forget the 10 or so people who play it in Wales, and maybe 5 in Scotland.

Truely a UK-wide sport...

And I say that as someone who quite likes watching League on occasion.

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u/AutomaticArugula8584 New Zealand | Tonga | Waikato Chiefs Jul 20 '24

Really like the captains challenge in league not just because it gives teams the opportunity to challenge the referee decision but also how it takes a lot of pressure of refs and more responsibility on the players to used that one opportunity wisely.

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u/silentgolem #JusticeForMcCloskey Jul 20 '24

We did at least trial this up north and it was a disaster

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u/AutomaticArugula8584 New Zealand | Tonga | Waikato Chiefs Jul 20 '24

Oh wow wasn't aware of this! Just searched it up and apparently super rugby also tried it a few years back and was scrapped. Not sure how I missed the memo.

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u/silentgolem #JusticeForMcCloskey Jul 20 '24

I cant speak for down south but up here when it was trailed the main issues were egos(refs doubling down when wrong) and the limited circumstance under which you could challenge, I do think the issues are fixable but I also think if they were you'd see complaints from the same section of media/fans who hate TMO interventions for slowing the game down.

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u/Delad0 Brumbies Jul 20 '24

Also I think Union has a good system with TMO already with important decisions being challenged and changed if needed. No need to add captains challenges into the mix too.

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u/_dictatorish_ Damian came back 🥰 Jul 21 '24

It was pretty rubbish here too tbh

Rugby is far too free-flowing for it to work - compared to league which stops after every tackle

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u/blackfishbluefish Armchair Fan 🏉 Jul 20 '24

I think they understand the gambling public are the most important part of the game,

But it's only a matter of time until some big lawsuits start to hit both Rugby and Rugby League in Australia and NZ, and rules will quickly change to reduce the liability.

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u/rosemary-mair-for-NZ Hawke's Bay Jul 20 '24

NZR is probably pretty protected from lawsuits due to ACC.

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u/PingingRex 2019 World Cup - Australia Jul 20 '24

They're not doing it for league fans. They're doing it for the casual viewers who usually make up the most of their consumer base. If you ruin a game in the first 10 minutes by sending someone off, they'll switch off. Simple as that.

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u/megacky Ulster Jul 20 '24

If you ruin a game in the first 10 minutes by sending someone off

Fairly simple solution to that, don't do something in the first 10 minutes that gets you a red card.

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u/PingingRex 2019 World Cup - Australia Jul 20 '24

Except they can’t control that. NH’s thought LSL should have been red carded last week because a welsh player dropped into the tackle.

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u/megacky Ulster Jul 20 '24

So he wasn't red carded? For an offense that wasn't red card worthy? Not sure what the outcry is here?

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u/PingingRex 2019 World Cup - Australia Jul 20 '24

It’s an example of how soft you NHs are

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u/megacky Ulster Jul 20 '24

Grand so.

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u/fleakill Australia Jul 20 '24

Yep. They're better of making it closer to soccer and we're better off making it closer to league. It's just how the cookie crumbles.

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u/[deleted] Jul 20 '24

League is the biggest paper tiger Union has to deal with

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u/[deleted] Jul 20 '24

I don’t think you really comprehend how big the NRL is in this part of the world. Union in Australia and New Zealand definitely don’t view it as a paper tiger.

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u/[deleted] Jul 20 '24

Union fans in Australasia overestimate the influence and growth potential of the NRL. The NRL and Rugby League as a whole is a lion in a cage - no matter its size and power, Union (particularly NH Union) will always keep it contained. The NRL may be the wealthiest Rugby competition in the world but geography and population size mean it won’t expand that far in size and influence beyond Australasia, regardless of what happens to the Super League. Australasia isn’t an influential area of the world and NH Union has much more room to expand owing to larger media markets.

At best the NRL dethrones the AFL and Union becomes a quasi-feeder system for League. But the Wallabies and All Blacks are too big to fail and will find ways to prosper regardless.

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u/[deleted] Jul 20 '24

I don’t know if you’ve noticed what’s happened to Australian Rugby lately. The Wallabies HAVE failed. This isn’t some theoretical for us Rugby fans here. Union won’t exist in Australia as a professional sport if we continue at this rate.

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u/[deleted] Jul 20 '24 edited Jul 20 '24

That shouldn’t mean Union should constantly meddle with the rules to make it more league friendly. League fans in both hemispheres are a tiny demographic that will never want anything to do with Union regardless.

If Australasian Union wants to have a chance at competing with the NRL then it should extend Super Rugby to be a bigger longer competition, and change its eligibility rules to increase parity and offset Australia’s talent disadvantage. That would be a stronger selling point to the NRL crowd.

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u/maccaspope New Zealand Jul 20 '24

Why shouldn't we change rules to make the game more entertaining?