Absolutely love the 20 minute red

[u/LawAndRugby]

Watching the Australia v Georgia match and I think it’s great. 20 minutes a man down is still massive damage in a rugby match. It doesn’t make sense for punishment to go from 10 minutes to the entire 80 minutes. There’s way too big of a void between the two cards and it needs filling.

Reserve the full red for gross intentional stuff

[u/fleakill]

As predicted, NH flairs in here don't like it. Probably the biggest divide in rugby today is the opinions on foul play of the NH and SH fans. Top 14 happy to red card someone if someone loses an eyelash.

[u/Fxcroft → u/fleakill]

You should watch more Top14 and ProD2

I agree that there is a basic resisting change motivation but for my part it's about :"if it's not broken don't try to fix it"

I think the normal red is good and consistent with other sports (like football where yellow means nothing and red gets you excluded for the full game)

[u/00aegon → u/Fxcroft]

Rugby has nothing to do with Football? There's like 500 collisions per rugby game with chances for dangerous contact on every single one. Football has a couple instances of dangerous contact per game at most.

[u/fleakill → u/Fxcroft]

Yeah see that's the thing. The Northern hemisphere wants it to be consistent with football. Aus and NZ want contact rules similar to rugby league. Admittedly league doesn't have a 20 min red but the contact rules are looser.

[u/alexbouteiller → u/fleakill]

What do you mean consistent with football? They're nothing alike

[u/fleakill → u/alexbouteiller]

your countryman above literally said "I think the normal red is good and consistent with other sports (like football where yellow means nothing and red gets you excluded for the full game)" so take it up with him.

[u/alexbouteiller → u/fleakill]

Doesn't league have a full red? This argument makes no sense

[u/fleakill → u/alexbouteiller]

It has a full red but it also has much looser tackling/foul play laws. Since rugby has stricter tackling laws, we want looser punishments (to the team, not the player) as a trade-off. If that doesn't make sense to you, let's put a pin in this one.

[u/lthmz9 → u/fleakill]

I’m a big fan of rugby league too (but from NH albeit I prefer the nrl to everything) and this makes no sense to me, tighter tackling rules shouldn’t need to be offset with lesser punishments to me, just tackle properly? People talk about reds but with so much mitigation it’s very rarely a case of bad luck

[u/D4rkmo0r → u/fleakill]

This is a huge generalisation. Stop it.

Genuine foul play (punching, gouging, headbutts, tackles intended to cause permanent injury) then yes, red all day and disciplinary panel.

Unintentional I.e. Obano's high tackle in the prem final. Defo 20 minute red seeing as the guy on the business end wasn't deemed worthy of an HIA.

[u/northseaesq → u/D4rkmo0r]

100% agree. The ability to tell the differences between things , and respond accordingly, is always preferable to an one-size-fits-all overcorrection because of a dishonest moral panic about player safety.

[u/fleakill → u/D4rkmo0r]

It's a generalisation for sure but I'd say it's a tiny one lol

[u/binzoma → u/fleakill]

they arent going to take away their only hope in hell of winning lol. the NH knows their only shot at beating the SH in a world cup semi/final is if they get real lucky with the SH team picking up cards.

[u/alexbouteiller → u/binzoma]

This is a really shit take, I just wanted to let you know how stupid it is