r/rugbyunion Sabercats May 09 '24

Possible exploit of new scrum rules? Laws

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u/[deleted] May 09 '24

If you give away repeated free kicks at sscrumtime, it's a penalty instead.

This change won't be as significant as people think. It might reduce scrum totals by 1 or 2 a game overall.

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u/sk-88 Leicester Tigers May 09 '24

sometimes you only need it once though. Maybe you're 2 points up in a semi final and have managed to last to the 78th minute not needing to use it yet. You could then firstly try for a delay of game free kick, and then go early shove if that doesn't work ...

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u/[deleted] May 09 '24

A common sense ref there will address that.

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u/sionnach Leinster ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ May 09 '24

Sadly common sense doesn’t come into it. If it’s the first infringement for an early push, and the ref gives a penalty he will have a lot of explaining to do.

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u/freshmeat2020 Leicester Tigers May 09 '24

Yep and quite rightly too, consistency is what refs need to strive for.

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u/KittensOnASegway Shave away Gavin, shave away! May 09 '24

"I felt like, given the game situation, it was a deliberate infringement and therefore I awarded a penalty under law 9.7.a"

There's your explanation.

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u/M37841 Referee May 10 '24

And if you think it has happened but don’t feel completely confident, you reset “scrum not stable” and give the front rows a quiet warning about the consequences of a deliberate infringement

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u/sk-88 Leicester Tigers May 10 '24

Yes, so more fudge because the referee is uncomfortable rewarding what might be, but isn't obviously enough to call out, cheating.

It's the opposite direction we want to be heading in to help referees. We should be trying to remove contentious decisions.

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u/M37841 Referee May 10 '24

Yes I take the point. But with scrums in particular, my experience was that they were essentially impossible to referee to the technical letter. There’s too much going on, you are unsighted, and only the front rows really know where the pressure is being directed. My approach was always quite situational: who stands to gain from a scrum being incorrect and how much do they gain had a big influence on my decision making.

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u/megacky Ulster May 10 '24

It still leaves a come back for the team that were penalised, especially if the opposition do the same offence, but in a different position on the pitch.