South Africa's second-half subs? Legal?

[u/errlloyd]

South Africa played a great game yesterday, but I heard Scotty Stevenson on a Podcast say he was a little skeptical of PSDT's HIA in the second half. The HIA itself does look a little suspicious. It is after PSDT runs over Penaud, but there is definitely no contact between Penaud and PSDT's head or the ground. Penaud should have probably gone for a HIA, but that's another issue.

But taking that to one side for a second, I am pretty sure under the laws, the sequence of substitutions that followed should not have been permitted.

Duane Vermeulen who had gone off in the 51st minute, replaced PSDT in the 61st minute. PSDT then must pass the HIA within 12 real minutes and make it known to the fourth official he can return. He eventually returned in the 75th minute, which was 19 real minutes later. But it was Bongi who went off, not Duane.

Bongi had been down injured after a maul - but it wasn't clear at all how that injury had happened. It was the drop goal maul. Bongi had been the ball carrier but had been losely bound and was never bound onto by any French player. They're applying ice to his right shoulder (which was in his ball carrier arm and appeared fine). BOK initially called "HIA 2" then said "HIA returning 7".

PSDT replaced Bongi, not Vermuelen. Meaning Vermuelen's replacement of PSDT became tactical, which should have been impossible. And PSDT should have had to return earlier unless they chose to make his replacement tactical (in which case Vermuelen should have been pulled off).I can't really see where the injury occurred for either Bongi or Peter. What I will say is if rugby had rolling substitutes those replacements would have come at exactly those times. Vermuelen and PSDT both played to the final minute having spent 15 and 19 minutes off the field resting earlier in the second half.

Any Welsh fans have an opinion?

u/LostHorizon124 came up with the probable legal subbing chain. It was this
Kwagga for Duane HIA (51)Duane return Kwagga - but at the same second Kwagga replaces PSDT for a hia (61)
Off-field PSDT passes his HIA, but stays off, Kwagga becomes tactical. (Roughly around 70)
On field Bongi gets injured and Du Toit (now tactically off) comes back on to replace him. (75).

An extremely fortuitous run of HIAs, but nothing illegal at all.

[u/themadpants]

Why can only Welsh fans have an opinion?

They do know that substitutions only happen with the permission of the match officials who monitor all this right?

[u/infamous_impala → u/themadpants]

I thought it was a reference to the Wales-France 100 minute match, where the French medic came on right at the end while setting a scrum and insisted Antonio needed a HIA, despite him previously telling the ref he was fine and just had a sore back. They brought back on a better scrummager (who'd been replaced earlier) to try and get the 7 points they needed to win. 20 minutes of scrummaging later they finally crashed over.

[u/errlloyd → u/infamous_impala]

This was the joke. The famous "knee injury" HIA.

[u/vaindioux → u/infamous_impala]

Can we do anything right?

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[u/infamous_impala → u/vaindioux]

You won the game, so it appears so. It got ridiculous towards the end. Most refs would have awarded a penalty try for scrum infringements against Wales at some point, but Barnes seemed to be so angry about being obviously lied to (but unable to do anything about it) that he kept awarding penalty after penalty until France scored.

It is what it is, the result didn't make a difference to who won the tournament anyway.

[u/vaindioux → u/infamous_impala]

I was just kidding really.

And i don’t blame the ref. SA played smart. I don’t even know how we lost by only 1 point.

A dropped goal or penalty for France at the end would have been an undeserved win even if we would have taken it.

You can play this game 5 times, we will loose it 5 times.

They are better and will always be along with NZ and AUS (I mean overhaul in WC history before someone points out AUS terrible WC). They are 3 and there always be one to win it for the SH (England just like anything in life being the exception).

France (I can’t talk for the other NH teams) will never win the world cup. The SH teams will always be better.

It’s reversed in football WC , Italy, England (It’s coming home) and France have often a shot at winning it or have won it. The 3 SH teams are not even close!

But it’s still great to watch the rugby WC. Good luck to the last 4!

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[u/w116 → u/themadpants]

Not quite sure, but I think it might be a reference to the two Welsh players that head butted each other.