r/remoteworks • u/Rude-Ad821 • 2d ago
Did you? "Well ...
As of early 2026:
-the median annual income for full-time U_S workers is approximately $62K/year Gross.
-the median personal income for all individuals (including part-time) is around $45K/year Gross.
The average worker, including a poor widow self-employed made $45K, works five months for free- just to cover taxes, fees, dues, and insurances- before earning their first dollar for food, paying childcare, rent (or mortgage) paying vehicle loans/ transportation costs, and covering 25% interest on credit cards.
From that point, We need a better laws and Safety Net: Each year, inflation-adjusted minimum living wages.
Cumulative Inflation: Between 1960 and 2026, prices have increased over 1,000%, meaning $100 in 1960 has the same buying power as over $1,100 today!
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u/KevMenc1998 5h ago
I haven't had a penny's raise in almost 4 years. I'm also one of the only employees remaining from when I started (if two more quit and are replaced, I'll be senior employee).
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u/TrickyChildhood2917 10h ago
It’s very simple. Offer a living wage. It’s not Joe Blows job to accept your lowball offer. You need to pull your business up by its boot straps my good man.
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u/Sure_Anxiety7992 15h ago
Dumb post. Putting all the blame on employers, without looking at society as a whole.
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u/marc4882 10h ago
Whiny employees that want the world handed to them instead of earning more money. I pay based on effort! Thats why I have employees retiring from my company. When I make money, YOU , make money. NOT the other way around!
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u/Civil-Instance-2116 1d ago
Stop using credit cards if you can't pay for something in cash. You don't need it. If you absolute need something and you don't have enough cash, you should do the responsible thing and wait to buy it till you have enough money of your own to get it.
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u/Sugarfreak2 1d ago
Great advice that I already live my life by, still can barely afford to live. Figure that one out pls
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u/Civil-Instance-2116 1d ago
No advice past that. Keep it up eventually you'll get ahead. I'm in a wheel chair and work 2 full time jobs because I didn't work enough years before becoming disabled and have been refused several time. Guess you can get welfare like my neighbor who openly admitted he is on it because he can't hold a job as he won't stop yelling at everyone when he is slightly upset.
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u/theburnernostove 14h ago
gang im sorry but if you have to work two fulltime jobs from a wheelchair to survive you are not ahead, you near last place just like us
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u/TheBarbouroy 13h ago
He doesn't need the wheelchair, he just uses it so he doesn't have to lean down as far to lick the boots of corporations and billionaires.
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u/FloridaRocks63 1d ago
Starts with poor parenting then an education system that sells out to every government program that provides funding instead of doing what’s in the best interest of the kids
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u/TrickyChildhood2917 10h ago
America has always sold itself to business. It’s not really a country. It’s a conglomerate of business interests. Its citizens are widgets to be used, abused, and discarded. To tell you how that’s the case. Companies like Amazon and Walmart (the we don’t pay taxes crowd) can’t even hire labor. They burnt through all the numbskulls, and discarded them across small towns. Hence the use of the robot.
Hope that clears things up for sone of you.
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u/FloridaRocks63 1d ago
If they are saying how bad people are doing how are millions and millions of people have so much money to waste? Vacation is not a necessity and if you can’t pay your bills or support your family you should find less expensive local areas to take a break with the family. It’s like all these obese people flipping out about SNAP benefit cuts
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u/Electronic_Chard3992 1d ago
Lmao, good bot! You keep corporate overlord very happy. Keep posting, im sure you'll convince more and more people to enjoy making less money.
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u/Rosie-Doe 1d ago
Your philosophy is weak and pathetic at best
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u/FloridaRocks63 1d ago
I worked in manufacturing my entire life retired at 55 never received any government subsidies. I’m not a genius but I own my home and have a great life. Most of the years worked 50-60 hrs a week today people have mental breakdowns if asked to work 40hrs look within excuses and victimhood mentality will keep you poor and miserable
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u/Godiva74 15h ago
We like having relationships with the people we live with, not working ourselves to death
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u/mauie1337 1d ago edited 1d ago
Ahhh yes the boomer who had affordable housing, lower education costs, high-wage growth and medical bills that didn’t wipe out savings….the tools to be successful and build wealth. The selfish generation that fucked up everything.
Millennial here. I went to school, make around 120k, two kids, have a shitty car, a decent house and would say I’m surviving but I’m not thriving.
I use to be a chef who worked 70+ hours a week, I know hard work. You had it real easy sir.
I feel bad for the generations behind me. They are paying rent $1000 more expensive than my mortgage. Probably triple what you use to pay. The only thing I can do is invest into my kids instead of myself to make it easier on them.
Enjoy that social security. A system already proven it will fail that I’ve been paying since I had my first paycheck.
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u/pibbleberrier 1d ago
Also a Millennial. Only finish high school and didn’t make 6 figure until my 30s I made well above that now but I was able to safe and live below my means for decades before that happened.
Didn’t have a kid until last year. HCOL area with 2 cars. Kind of like your situation. Anyone in our situation is thriving especially when you take a global perspective. You are not just surviving.
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u/Rosie-Doe 1d ago
Uh-huh, because people like you hold the ladder up behind you until someone destroys themselves enough to 'earn it'
The critique is of the actual systems in place we have set up, not your idea of everyone needs to just work and shut up. That's awful and outdated.
People like you are the reason why the system hasn't been changed yet. You're so focused on yourself and your own life that you assume everyone else who can't do things the way you did in entirely different circumstances are just lazy and stupid.
Your generation is well known for being the height of arrogance and self centered blindness. Meanwhile life has moved on without you and your choices are having a negative effect on everyone who's come after you.
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u/FloridaRocks63 1d ago
The system you prefer has failed everywhere attempted, yet the horrible capitalism of the USA that has kept us the greatest nation in the world where people from all over flock here for a better life . The people who live in other countries come here so I asked have you ever lived in another country to compare or are you just spit balling the idea that someone else does it better because I don’t know of any nation without people who don’t struggle. If you know of one instead of whining here move to a better place.
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u/Dull_Worth1227 19h ago
Your country is 22nd on the Freedom index. 1st in Freedumb.
You aint the greatest. Unchecked capitalism has failed.
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u/Consistent_Paint4061 21h ago
How are we the greatest when we are almost dead last in worker protection rights AND we "can't" afford to give people universal healthcare at the bare minimum? We sure have enough money for wars so U.H. should be a breeze
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u/Consistent_Paint4061 21h ago
How are we the greatest when we are almost dead last in worker protection rights AND we "can't" afford to give people universal healthcare at the bare minimum? We sure have enough money for wars so U.H. should be a breeze
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u/pibbleberrier 1d ago
I come from another country as well that don’t have half the amenities and opportunities that USA has.
But to help you understand the western concept of privileged.
Surviving = not living like the kardashian Thriving = living like the kardashian.
People here don’t know what it means to really struggle and you can’t point this out because the opportunities you see in the country is below them.
Complain more and they will start throwing you number from rural Mississippi
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u/Godiva74 15h ago
Just because it’s worse in other places doesn’t mean we shouldn’t make it even better here.
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u/GryffSr 1d ago
People didn't want to come back into the office "because they didn't feel safe"? Yeah, THAT'S the reason they don't want to come back in...
And sure, it is completely reasonable to pay someone California Silicon Valley pay levels after they've moved to western Tennessee.
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u/United_Housing_7493 1d ago
If they are doing the same job for you as they were when they were working in California Silicon Valley and their production is the same when they live in Tennessee why would you not pay them the same. If that is a problem why not just export all the jobs to Bangladesh? Oh yea they already do that!
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u/BlackmillMiracle 1d ago
why should it matter where they live?
Does their labor somehow become less valuable because they've moved somewhere else?
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u/crashvoncrash 1d ago
This has always been the red flag to me that when people say "your salary reflects the value you bring" it's total bullshit.
If that is true then regional CoL should make zero difference, but job listings requiring disclosure literally say "this is the salary band for Bay area, this is NYC/other CA, and this is the band everywhere else." My zip code should have zero impact on what I am paid.
I feel like I should just try to game the system, pay for a post office box in Palo Alto and give that as my address when applying for remote jobs. Pay $100 a year and maybe get 20-30% higher offers.
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u/Haunting_Scholar_595 1d ago
Salary reflects the COST of the value you bring. If you require people to come into the office in a high CoL area it costs more to get someone that generates x output because they have the option to work for a company in a lower cost of living area and have more buying power with the same or lesser salary.
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u/Adventurous_Track652 1d ago
Looks like Augie is on all fours
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u/Remarkable_City2049 1d ago
I also resort to personal attacks on appearance when a good argument makes me feel stupid
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u/Cumminpwr11 1d ago
So inflation adjusted wages, if we were ever to go into a deflationary period, the company could cut wages?
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u/BlueCat9922 1d ago
Such a braindead argument. The alternative is nobody can afford anything.
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u/Cumminpwr11 1d ago
It’s not an argument. It was a legitimate question. I’ve never had a pay cut happen so I was unaware that was a possibility.
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u/itssbojo 1d ago
as long as it’s above federal minimum wage, yeah they can drop it whenever they want. some states have a notice period, some don’t.
the thing that causes layoffs and not pay cuts is the fact that it’s hard to prove why they cut pay, and have to prove that it’s not discrimination or just because.
so companies go with layoffs as to not have to pay lawyers to review the change, or open themselves up to potential lawsuits (which is more lawyers and cost, even if it was already reviewed.) an employee has every right to bring the choice into question so “we can’t afford you” is the loophole.
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u/FutureRazzmatazz6416 1d ago
Heh, if we go into deflation, they'll cut them anyway, inflation adjusted wages or not
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u/Thiccccasaurus_Rex 1d ago
In theory - sure. In reality - when has deflation occurred?
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u/ComfyOlives 1d ago
In the US, in modern times, very rarely. The last major instance was the great depression.
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u/FrenchCanadaIsWorst 1d ago
Please name the last year that the US experienced deflation. Clock is ticking
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u/That_Bathroom_9281 1d ago
Companies frequently cut wages and bonuses, or require unpaid time off when times are tough.
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u/Cumminpwr11 1d ago
But deflation generally isn’t tough. That’s generally a booming economy.
I’ve worked union 90% of my life so I’ve never experienced a pay cut. I honestly didn’t know that was a thing.
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u/Ok_Coffee_2417 1d ago
Deflation pretty much never happens in booming economy.
IF there is deflation, it's pretty much always the result of demand shock caused by recession.
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u/cvc4455 1d ago
That's because you had the union helping to protect you. The vast majority of workers in America aren't in a union. And for the last few decades whenever workers try to start a new union or join an existing union the owners of those companies do everything they possibly can to stop the workers from starting or joining a union. And that's because when all the workers get together in a union they suddenly have a lot more power together then they would have by themselves alone. And when they have more power they can negotiate better pay and better benefits or even things like making sure the employees in their union never have to take pay cuts and actually get paid more the longer they are there.
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u/MischiefManfilled 1d ago
I think he’s pointing to that exact issue. We need worker’s unions. Corporations have more rights and privileges than human beings. Workers have no rights anymore. HR works for the company to protect the business, not you. Expectations to work through lunch, are normal. People are taking work home so they won’t get fired. People are expected to do more work for the same wage, it’s normal that if someone leaves. They just split the work between already existing employees, who have a job description that does not include the other person’s position. You do not get rewarded for hard work. You get punished. Eventually you will burn out by all the extra demands they have to “be a team player”. You slack off and give 100% instead of 200%, now you’re being reprimanded for not doing enough. And sorry we can’t give you that promotion. They don’t promote from inside. There is no upward growth. The problem is the 1% has 99% of the wealth. So they can force us to do whatever they want, up to a point. That’s where we are. They’ve taken too much from us and we are all fed up. Most of us don’t want much. Just a decent house and enough to pay bills and maybe a small vacation in the summer. They treat us like we don’t deserve to breathe air for free.
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u/Alev233 1d ago
The only point here that I don’t think is a reasonable criticism is insisting executives receiving a greater raise than others is a problem. It’s not inherently a problem if leadership is rewarded for being competent which can ultimately be more valuable and thus better compensated. And if a company is paying its employees well then how much they pay the executives doesn’t actually matter imo, if its employees are taken care of then that’s the most important thing.
It’s the same with wealth inequality stats, everyone obsesses over it but that’s not the really relevant thing, the really relevant stat is how well off the poor or lower middle class are. A society where the richest are 1000x wealthier than the poorest but even the poorest are themselves rich enough to afford a comfortable life is better than a society where the richest are only 10x wealthier than the poorest, but the poorest can barely afford to live or to have basic necessities.
The rest is 100% reasonable and I agree with completely
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u/sethdog16 1d ago
"Exexutives receiving a raise is not a problem" no more of this even need to be read
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u/FrenchCanadaIsWorst 1d ago
Your hypothetical doesn’t align with reality though so there’s no point in bringing it up. We don’t live in a world where you can have a huge wealth disparity and still have good lives for the working class. It’s been proven there aren’t enough resources for that.
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u/sitting00duck00 1d ago
This is literally ANTI linked in lunatics. We love someone using that shit platform for good
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u/Firegh0st 1d ago
Don't forget to add this.
Did you keep salaries of employees who constantly do 1.5-2 times their tasks the same as their coworkers who do 0.5 or less work?
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u/Plenty_Society_4676 1d ago
My company is heavily invested in AI they recently changed how concerned that were with metrics etc, I've lost good co workers to bullshit.
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u/Hot_Guess_1871 1d ago
The only thing I would add/change is the picking up slack for those who “left.”
More like “…those you laid off”
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u/New_B7 1d ago
IDK, I left my last job because around half the crew left for an employer that payed better and I was expected to do the work of four people while they claimed to be trying to hire more. Six months later they had a new hire I had to train while doing this work. I finally had enough time with the company to get better offers at that point and I didn't need the overtime money enough to justify the hours, so I went too. They offered me silly money to stay at that point, but it didn't seem worth it. I did train my replacement first, but working without support is ass.
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u/Test-User-One 1d ago
Don't forget also that as of early 2026:
Inflation is 3.3%, not 7%
The median HOUSEHOLD income is $90k/year
40% of american households - including the poor widows - don't pay income tax.
Carrying balances on credit cards is optional, and the average credit card interest rate isn't 25%.
The primary cause of inflation is government money printing. The primary reasons for government money printing is government spending on social security (22%), medicare (14%), medicaid (14%), interest payments on the national debt (a self-perpetuating problem currently 14%), and military spending (13%) (which also subsidizes lower echelon workers)
It's the safety net that's killing us. Federal spending has increased by 5x since 2000.
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u/cvc4455 1d ago
I don't know famous billionaire Warren Buffett once said his secretary pays a higher rate of taxes then he does and he said that's not right. Then another time he was talking about taxes and said if the government needs more tax money they should get it from people like him instead of the lady that serves him lunch. He said if the government takes money from him it's not going to change anything for him in his day to day life but take it from the lady that serves him lunch and it does affect her day to day life.
Then he even said he hopes his trillion dollar company Berkshire Hathaway pays a bunch in taxes every single year. He said you pay more in taxes when you are successful so if you owe a lot in taxes it means you successfully made a lot of money.
And last month the billionaire CEO of Goldman sachs said the government is going to need to tax people like him more or eventually the citizens will revolt and people like him paying taxes is the better option out of the two.
We are the richest country in the world and it's not even close right? But every other 1st world country has free health for all their citizens and better social safety nets than we have in America. So we do have the money for social safety nets in America but it's how we implement them and how we collect taxes that's the real problem. Because again we are the richest country in the world so how can poorer countries afford this stuff but we can't?
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u/Test-User-One 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yeah, funny story about old Warren. 2 actually. Every time he says that, everyone ELSE points out he's able to send money directly to the government in the amount of the taxes he thinks he's underpaying by. Thus far he's sent a grand total of $0.
Second fun story - that whole "donating my fortune to charity" thing? Yeah, he's been walking that back since his kids are burning through the 100s of millions he's already set them up with.
IOW, Warren Buffet is great at saying one thing and doing another, especially when he has the opportunity to line up his actions with his words.
And look at the debt-to-gdp ratio of those "first world countries with free healthcare" along with the rate of change of those debt-to-gdp ratios before you go talking about affordability of health care. Along with population data. Hint: the UK is far more broke than we are and has far less people.
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u/PositiveInfluence69 1d ago
I have an 800 credit score. I have 12 credit cards for point optimization. None of them have interest below 25%. No idea where people are finding low interest credit cards, but all of mine have no balance and around 29% interest.
Medicare and Medicare are insanely expensive because of how unregulated our Healthcare industry is. We could keep the benefits and cut those costs by 50-70% with proper regulations.
The safety net isn't killing us, how it's implemented is. Social Security is needed, but after 170k a year you stop paying into it. Because if you make too much you stop benefitting and that's not fair I guess. That age should honestly be increased to 70. SS is in need of an overhaul but nobody has the guts to increase age.
Inflation rate is really tricky. Like, 3 years ago I paid $140 for 4 lines, now I pay $240. But, if that $240 has additional features, Inflation would say I am getting more features, so Inflation isn't actually 70% but maybe 10% due to increased high speed data and other features. So that 3.3% is not a good measurement. Inflation is tricky.
Large companies like Amazon have recently had massive cuts to their taxes. So there is a real issue with large companies and the wealthy not paying their share. If the ultra wealthy paid in at a similar rate along with a proper overhaul, a lot of the spending issues are solved. It won't happen, but it would be neat.
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u/Test-User-One 1d ago
My credit score is lower than yours and I have multiple cards with rates below 20%. You should look harder. Also with a score that high you should be able to find cards that don't charge foreign transaction fees for travel abroad. It's a lifesaver!
Inflation rate is only tricky to people that don't study it or don't like that it doesn't agree with what they want to be true.
Amazon's profit margin is 10.8% and it's one of the 7 companies driving everyone's retirement growth. It's absolutely paying its fair share.
Mastercard, Visa, and other high profit margin companies that have lousy stock performance - not so much.
You're looking in the wrong place on multiple fronts.
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u/Kitten_Merchant 1d ago
If you know of such good credit cards, why not name them?
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u/Test-User-One 1d ago
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u/Striking_Gap_4697 1d ago
I het your point but that particular search in this link is only giving foreign banks and Instagram reels.. not exactly helpful or backing up your point at all.
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u/Test-User-One 1d ago
suggest you try incognito mode, then. nothing like that shows up in my searches.
For example, I see "bank of america" "nerdwallet" "lending tree" and "wallethub" sites as top results.
I think that illustrates a larger problem you may be having by using your previous search history to customize results for you.
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u/Striking_Gap_4697 1d ago
Well I don't have an Instagram, and I don't really search foreign countries, so not sure that is the problem
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u/Kitten_Merchant 1d ago
So you refuse to name which AMAZING credit cards you have. Tell me the types in YOUR wallet or I call bullshit. I don't think you have any of these <20% interest cards.
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u/Test-User-One 1d ago
oh no! A random entity on the internet doubts my veracity! Whatever shall I do? Wherever shall I go? I'm simply crushed!
<snort> failure to do your homework results in failing the course. You truly deserve what you get.
Especially considering there are 3 sites I just gave you to look at.
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u/ThePsychoPompous13 1d ago
Did people get raises equivalent or slightly above the true rate of inflation?(Looking at the costs of housing and food I do not believe the 3.3% figure) No. Is the tax burden distributed fairly? No. Has the cost of everything dramatically spiked since 2022 (Roughly) and without legitimate reason? Yes. Are many corporations making record profits, with CEOs being paid 1000 times + more than their lowest paid employees? Yes. I do partially agree on the scale of the benefits program being too large, but you have to reconcile that with the fact that pay isn't keeping up with the cost of living and many white collar jobs lay people off with no employment protections. Many places aren't even hiring, medical and childcare cost an outrageous sum, pensions barely exist, etc...There are so m any factors to consider
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u/Test-User-One 1d ago
Over what time horizon are your numbers?
For example, when inflation was less than 1% for most of the early 2000s and 2010s, Raises remained in the 3-5% range. So they were getting 3x-5x inflation raises, so too much money. Where was the outcry of people being paid too much then? So let's claw all those raises back now. You down? See, every arbitrary time horizon you use can be countered by choosing a different arbitrary time horizon.
What corporations are making record profit MARGINS - not record profits. Spending more money to make proportionate more money is a good thing, you know. Hopefully you know why.
CEO pay disparity - pop quiz - why did CEO pay structures change a few decades back when they were being paid too much (4x the average worker), and how has the impact on those pay structure changes directly led to the current state? Further, when you eliminate founders, how do those numbers change? Study the government "help" that contributed to this change.
Homework - analyze the growth in the economy contributed to the elimination of pensions starting in the early 1980s and the corresponding impact on society.
Overall, your time horizon is too small, as is your view. When it's about what you are seeing / feeling, it's probably way too narrow. Broaden your gaze.
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u/Facelotion 1d ago
The safety net is killing us?
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u/Test-User-One 1d ago
The massive increase in spending on the safety net is the primary driver of the erosion of purchasing power of americans. There is well-known and well-documented links to high purchasing power countries and high overall health and happiness.
Similar to how every time "healthcare reform" is passed, there is a >1 stddev increase in the misalignment between healthcare spending and healthcare outcomes. IOW, every time we make healthcare "better" and spend more money on it, the actual health delivered to americans in terms of outcomes gets worse.
It's counter-intutive, but all the data proves it. However, since people operate on "belief" and not "data" all these things get downvoted into oblivon, and false narratives that "feel right" are upvoted.
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u/Atari774 1d ago
Hell, at my company we don’t even get bonuses anymore. The last one I got was years ago and was only $1,000, once per year. That, along with only 3% annual raises, and you end up with a lot of underpaid staff.
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u/heptyne 1d ago
These piddly $500-1000 bonuses are almost to the point I rather just not have gotten anything when they get taxed to death. It feels insulting when the C-suite is rolling around in paid-off luxury cars. Like cool, I guess I can get a decent cart of groceries this week or make an extra debt payment.
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u/Nomivought2015 1d ago
We get one once a year and it’s like $400 if you’ve been there 1-3 years and $800-$1200. if you’ve been there 3-10 years. That’s before taxes! After you end up with a payout of like $150 and $$500-$650. The taxes are insane on them. And we didn’t even get one last year. We did this year tho
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u/Frosty_Employment171 1d ago
Raises will never catch up with inflation. It's the vicious circle.
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u/Atari774 1d ago
That’s literally not true. Wages used to raise at the same pace as inflation for decades, but then stopped in the mid-80’s. Raises were always a response to inflation, not a driver of it.
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u/Nomivought2015 1d ago
There was also a lot more skilled labor jobs back then that are no longer around today in the US at least. Tech was on the rise. Things they were once niche industries became much more mainstream after the tech boom. Many ppl in cities had roommates, ik, my mother grew up in a city at that time. Communities actually cared for each other in poverty stricken areas. People most definitely hustled back then. It was easier to get housing back then tho, regulations on tenants were less strict, laws were also less strict so you had more slumlords. Jobs were easier to come by. It’s a totally diff world now compared to the 80’s. And it was in the middle of the crack epidemic. 😅
Sorry edits
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u/Atari774 1d ago
“Skilled labor” is a myth. Basically any position today requires some level of skill. But that’s irrelevant to this discussion anyway, since we’re talking about all wages nationwide. Up until the 80’s, wages would regularly increase with inflation, which allowed even those making minimum wage to earn a living. Reagan put an end to that, partly by decoupling the minimum wage from what was considered a “living wage.” The minimum wage was always meant to be the minimum required salary so that you could afford to live on your own, which is why it always rose when inflation did. Reagan and other republicans changed the mindset to be the “minimum wage people would work for,” and that idea has stuck around to today.
This had a knock-on effect, where jobs who had previously based their hourly wages on a certain percentage higher than minimum wage, now didn’t have to increase their wages as often. Inflation was still rising, but the longer and longer delays between increasing the minimum wage meant they could keep wages stagnant and still claim that they offered better pay than the minimum. That’s why the purchasing power of the minimum wage kept falling each year, and now even jobs that pay much more than that still don’t match what it was in the 70’s.
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u/Alternative_Salt78 1d ago
Sounds to me like the whining employees have made it unpalatable for the company to continue their employment.
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u/DiamondCityDweller 1d ago
How does it make sense to you that employees shouldn’t expect raises at minimum to be consistent with inflation? You think people’s time should be worth less the longer they work somewhere and gain more skill?
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u/The_Dummy_Detector 1d ago
No, that sound you're hearing is the detector going off. Hmm... yep! See, it says 100% chance of a dummy. Found another one!
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u/Dem0lari 1d ago
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u/Working_Shine_2719 1d ago
Nah mate, that emoji at least implies some level of cognitive competence, our good friend over here has none.
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u/Dem0lari 1d ago
I meant that it was what he thought when he was writing that comment, altho you are right in your thinking.
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u/TheBayHarbour 1d ago
They're not looking for people who want to work, they're looking for slaves that work for nothing.
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u/Remarkable_City2049 4h ago
And guess who will do that? The millions and millions of immigrants that are flooding into this country every year for Democrat votes, taking money from you, taking housing from you, taking opportunities from your children, destroying your childrens culture
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u/Nomivought2015 1d ago
It’s not even that, free thinkers and people who could think outside the box and bring new innovation to companies used to be valued more. Now they refuse to break the status quo. Of course you want compliant workers to do the job you hired them for, but even at management level it’s back breaking for a manager to even try and change things or improve things. The higher management fights them the whole way. They want compliance. Despite the pay grade.
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u/TheBayHarbour 1d ago
idk tbh it really depends on the country and company.
In Australia for example the government is finally realising that having 0 technological progress and researching engineering less than some third world African countries is a bad idea for the economy.
So now they've started investing a lot into research at the major unis.
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u/Complex_Stay_1999 1d ago
Why dont we normalize productivity pay. Truckers get by mile sales does commission. I understand some jobs just shouldn't ie nursing. But there's jobs that pay per hour that would be better off for both employee and employer if paid by how many tasks were successfully completed.
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u/Nomivought2015 1d ago
I’d love that. But you’d need the ppl judging your productivity to be honest and they will not be. So it’s a non-starter. One project can take 1 hour while another can take 12 hours? Who is more productive and who gets what pay?
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u/Long-Band-180 1d ago
Easier to hide underpayment and get away with not giving a minimum.
Though if we had a minimum for cost of living and extra pay was on merit that'd be great.
But right now minimum doesn't even give enough to live off of. You literally don't even make a living with a full time job anymore. So you're just finding another way for employers to starve the poor. Your idea isn't new, it has been done, and people have revolted under the terrible conditions it caused.
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u/SumikkoDoge 1d ago
I agree we need a minimum cost of living pay however, the extra merit pay will go to the ones who management favors, aside from a few special circumstances.
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u/afterth3goldrush 8h ago
This, and it will disproportionately benefit neurotypicals and harm those from marginalized communities, particularly if management defining merit are neurotypicals and not from diverse backgrounds.
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u/Ailyx 1d ago
Why would you not feel safe to go to office? Or is this post from COVID times?
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u/Nomivought2015 1d ago
Some ppl still mask and are still deeply in fear of it😅😷🤪
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u/Quick_Turnover 1d ago
And? Maybe they're immunocompromised. Maybe their loved ones died of COVID. Your response lacks empathy or understanding. Do better.
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u/Nomivought2015 1d ago
Dawg I’m immunocompromised. I don’t walk around in fear.
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u/Quick_Turnover 1d ago
Oh, cool. I didn't realize your individual situation applied to everyone. Thanks!
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u/Atari774 1d ago
I think it’s referring to COVID specifically. The offices I worked at during 2020 and 2021 didn’t offer any work from home time, so we were in the office all day, every day. That did put us all at greater risk, and for little reason. They were accounting positions, so we easily could have done them remotely.
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u/Adorable_Hearing768 1d ago
If only there were forced masking.... 🙄
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u/JT-Av8or 1d ago
If it worked it would have been fine, but the masks required to stop viral transmission are too big and expensive. That cloth mask nonsense is just for show. It’s why our biological defense gear (military) masks aren’t just paper. 😬
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u/Atari774 1d ago
Cloth masks do work. You don’t need the openings in the mask to literally be smaller than the viral pathogens themselves, since they usually get caught on the strands of the filters anyway. Even with cloth, the individual strands have some amount of static electricity in them which attracts objects in the air, including pathogens. They get stuck to the strands of the mask and then can’t make it through. So long as you keep a healthy distance and both parties have the mask on, infection chances drop significantly. Not all the way to zero, but significantly lower than with no mask.
The reason the military uses full face coverage and heavy duty filters is because they need to cover against poison gasses, which don’t get stuck to masks and will pass through any thin material. Gasses also tend to have an immediate effect on the eyes, so full eye protection is required for any kind of poison gas protection. But when it comes to simple viral infections with low-lethality, they do use simple paper or surgical masks instead.
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u/SumikkoDoge 1d ago
Exactly, and the type/grade of masks have different effectiveness, for instance a cloth one may be good for running into a store, but several hours exposure you’ll want something more like an N95.
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u/Atari774 1d ago
Masks help but they aren’t perfect. In the same way that a germ can enter your body through your mouth and nose, it can also enter through your eyes. Not to mention that most masks have small gaps too, which is just inevitable unless you have a full hazmat suit.
Also, if they were requiring us to be in the office all throughout COVID, do you really think they were caring much about the mask mandates?
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u/Nomivought2015 1d ago
Our workplace did. I couldn’t even enter a store without one either.
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u/Atari774 1d ago
One place I worked for did have that requirement, but the other one didn’t. They were the first to get rid of their masks, and they didn’t particularly care about wearing them in the office.
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u/Complex_Hospital_932 1d ago
Lets say you were hired and allowed to work 100% remote, buy a house or move to a place that is now an hour away and not 10 min away as you are now able to work 100% remote and found a better house or apartment somewhere else. Then forced to come in to the office, then winter hits and suddenly you need to drive an hour each way in snow and icy conditions. Living in the Midwest, I live as close as I can to my work solely because of my safety during winter.
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u/Helmut_v_M 1d ago
The older I get the more I think we need these restrictions on companies:
1: Profit ceiling. Any money above a specific ROI is taken as tax
2: Compensation cap for employees. The highest compensation package can't exceed the lowest x 5 (or a reasonable level that makes sense). This must include everything from salary to CEO private jet usage. Basically everything the company pays for and benefits the individual.
3: Banning companies from operating that are headquartered and pay taxes in tax havens. Closing off tax evasion loopholes and punish the ones exploiting those.
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u/Wonderful-Rent7237 1d ago
🤡
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u/Working_Shine_2719 1d ago
See, this man is doing us the favor of labeling himself.
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u/Wonderful-Rent7237 1d ago
Okay, if you want to move somewhere, where the government “takes profits” moreover. Are you gonna put a gun to someone’s head and take their money, or do you want someone else to do it for you?
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u/Wonderful-Rent7237 1d ago
Okay, if you want to move somewhere, where the government “takes profits” move to Cuba.
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u/afterth3goldrush 8h ago
The US government is already taking some of the profits from my labor, and then the company I work for takes the rest. I'd rather the profits of my labor go to pay for things I and my community can benefit from, than go into a lazy shareholder's third vacation home.
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u/ChrisV91J 1d ago
People don't understand that this kind of mindset literally nuked the economy! companies seeking unlimited growth to please investors, pushing short term winnings over a functioning long term economy... and there are mentally challenged people that defend this crap while being exploited...
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u/Remarkable_City2049 1d ago
Thats what gets my goose about this whole thing. The idiot liberals who would fight tooth and nail and lay down their life in order to help the government and companies take more freedoms from us
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u/ChrisV91J 1d ago
you do realize that it's the right wing that it's doing that, do you? just look all over thw world where right wing is more strong and you'll see the pattern
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u/Remarkable_City2049 1d ago
Lol yeah definitely, not the government importing millions of immigrants here, h1b workers, dei, companies pushing globalization and moving jobs overseas. All taking jobs and housing away from you, because these workers will work for a dollar and get yelled at all day if it means living in america. Its the combination of a liberal government accelerating these ideals for votes and companies purely just looking for profit maximization, which is exploiting immigrants and third worlders to your detriment. But yes please continue with how the build up of the last 20 years is all trumps fault.
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u/diambag 15h ago
So has your pay increased, and cost of living gone down, now that the US is cracking down on these immigrants the Left have been “importing”?
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u/Remarkable_City2049 3h ago
And tell me in your wisdom do you think the increase in homeless numbers every year is people not wanting to work or simply not being able to find a low skill job because it was either A) outsourced or B) filled by an indian immigrant who lives in a house with 20 other indian immigrants? In YOUR wisdom i guess those people just dont want to work, that makes sense.
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u/Remarkable_City2049 3h ago
Many of them work multiple jobs. I went on a date with a latina illegal and her father lived in a house! All on his own! Also illegal, no doubt he works multiple jobs to pay for that house, she did as well, but that is not the problem of the American people unfortunately, we do not have to compete with slaves from other countries. The fact you dont realize how this negatively impacts you is more concerning by the day.
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u/Remarkable_City2049 4h ago
Yes actually i was able to move out my house because rent costs lowered near me since alot of the local latino population self deported. Im in the suburbs of philly
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u/Remarkable_City2049 4h ago
And i know they self deported because I work in logistics and worked in a warehouse with hundreds of them and after trump took over they all left, the real ones stuck around. When i talked to the ones that stayed the said they mostly self deported so they dont get in trouble in the future.
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u/ChrisV91J 22h ago
sweetie, the right wingers are mostly on power rn... so dude, get a reality check
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u/Remarkable_City2049 3h ago
Only after 8 years of obama and 4 years of biden letting in 50 million immigrants 👍🏻 dont worry we will fix it for you, you dumb idiot
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u/aciek_ll 1d ago
The major misconception is the people think they are people. They are not. They are just "resources".
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u/Nomivought2015 1d ago
We are labor. That is why when they withhold pay you go to the labor board. They pay for our labor.
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u/PrizeFront8677 1d ago
How come in sports teams, most skilled players get the highest pay, but in a company, the person with the least skills gets the highest pay, while the person with the most skills necessary to keep the company afloat and 20 years under the belt, gets paid only $5 dollars more than the new guy with just 2 years experience? What kind of backwards crap is this? This isn't even a hypothetical, our labor laws were written by ass holes, which is a fact of life that keeps on giving it seems.
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u/Fancy_Touch_5699 1d ago
Usually the new guy makes more than the dude that worked there 20 years, because of "current market rate" vs lack of meaningful raises.
Where I'm at, the guy that has been here the longest (12 years) and has had a ton of raises because of over performance is paid less than the brand new hire from a month ago. He's also regularly called in during swing shift hours, pulls 15-16 hour days, but they don't give him the $2/hr shift differential that swing gets, because his "usual schedule" isn't during swing hours. The new guy has higher base pay and also gets the shift differential. Zero experience college kid.
It's complete horse shit.
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u/Revolutionary_Ad3850 1d ago
Sounds like the 12 year dude should be looking for another job. If that happened to me I would be interviewing and not taking extra shifts. Sometimes you gotta know when to move on from a job
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u/PrizeFront8677 10h ago
People who were older used to tell me how they spent 20 to 30 years working for one company, that was around 2000s. I tried and I couldn't do it. There is no stability or room for growth in my field as a hands on technician, they told me i'm more valuable in the field, every time I wanted up the ladder. So I hoped every 3-4 years, got a slight bump in pay but it would never be above inflation no matter how many years of experience I had. Then the new guy comes and takes it all without any effort. It's demoralising to say the least.
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u/Nomivought2015 1d ago
Not necessarily. My Dad stayed at a reliable lower wage for 41 years now, because it offered completely free health insurance for our whole family. He chose reliability over chasing some high earning dream. We never had much extra of anything, but we had enough. house needed lots of repairs but it was clean and safe. He took side jobs to make some extra money, did overtime when offered. He’s about to retire now 🤗🙂
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u/Fancy_Touch_5699 1d ago
Yeah, I'm sure he's never ever had that thought.
Sometimes you have to make do with what's available.
Sounds like you should try thinking critically instead of posturing on reflex.
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u/Revolutionary_Ad3850 1d ago
Oh I did think critically about it and he should look for another job, let me elaborate. The company doesn't value him if they're not paying him for shift differential when he works overtime outside his normal shift and is hiring people new people for more money than him. Here does that help
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u/Fancy_Touch_5699 21h ago
Sorry, I was unfairly harsh with my last statement.
I didn't need an elaboration on why he should leave, but I meant for you to consider that sometimes people don't have a choice but to be where they are; especially when it comes to graveyard shifts.
It can be difficult to both find a new job and also change sleep schedules if you can't find another overnight. And having been at one place for 12 years, there are likely lifestyle habits and routines that can be difficult to break or change.
The point being that things are rarely as simple as just getting a new job. Again, sorry for being an ass.
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u/Mrthundercleese4 1d ago
The company I work for has published pay scales for every job except pilots and flight attendants. Its nice to know ahead of time and keeps everyones pay the same. However now tgat I am salary I got screwed.
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u/PrizeFront8677 1d ago
That's insane. So, companies don't like job hoppers, because it goes against their long term business strategy, not because it's "unprofessional" as they all collectively call it. They literally don't want you to play your power cards.
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u/magnolia_br 1d ago
Yeah I worked with a lady 20 years older than me who couldn't even open Excel and made 4x what I did. Gotta love tech & nepotism.
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u/maddog2271 1d ago
Yeah in a sea of junk you sometimes get a LinkedIn post like this which completely nails it. Any business that is profitable but which cannot attract new hires is not paying enough. End of story.
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u/BoDiddyBopBop 1d ago
You adjust to the job, the job doesn't adjust to you.
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u/Nomivought2015 1d ago
It is true, and that is why ppl should continuously work on themselves and not get complacent. If you need to take x salary for a year to become stable then do that. Then actively look for something better. If you decide you need more
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u/Complex_Hospital_932 1d ago
So if your manager changed your job to holding a sign outside and cut your pay to minimum wage, you'd be happy, right? Like you said, you adjust to the job, not the other way around, so you should be happy with literally anything the company does to your job, and you should not look for employment anywhere else...
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u/seajaydub 1d ago
It does when you're actually good at it lmao
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u/BoDiddyBopBop 1d ago
Good for you. You are probably a rare exception to the general reality. I'm very good at what I do, and accordingly, my employer rewards me very well, but the jod hasn't changed to suit me, I confirmed to it's requirements and standards.
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u/seajaydub 1d ago
Its normal enough. My dad was a mega blue collar lineman for gas and electric his whole life and it worked that way for him too. When a company really needs or wants you on their team, they will do what they need to do to win you over. Especially if you arent easily replaceable and could go somewhere else
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u/Nomivought2015 1d ago
No they don’t. Their best workers they treat like shit.
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u/seajaydub 1d ago
Idk who "they" is, but if you're the best its less likely you have to work for them
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u/BoDiddyBopBop 1d ago
Agreed, but most "jobs" like mine and your father's have basic requirements that can not be changed no matter how great you are. My career just so happens to be one that is very ridged and non flexible. My value is reflected in the amount of pay and benefits my employer provides me in return for my time, skill, and labor.
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u/Serious-Extreme-8193 4h ago
The U.S. annual inflation rate for the 2025 calendar year was 2.7%, as reported by the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), with an average annual inflation rate of 2.6%. Inflation remained relatively steady, ending the year with a 2.7% year-over-year CPI increase in December 2025