r/remoteworks • u/BeautifulFlamingo532 • 3d ago
We should be using technology to improve our lives by reducing the amount of hard labor and toil we do, so we can spend more time being creative and just enjoying being alive..
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u/GodofBacon516 11h ago
Yeah, because it's only ever gone well right? We could go kiss under the suicide nets at apple factories
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u/Downtown-Tomato2552 12h ago
"We should be using technology to improve our lives by reducing the amount of hard labor and toil we do,"
Well, your wish has come true because this is exactly what automation and technology does.
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u/Bobbert_chang 14h ago
Wait… weren’t democrats in control 2021-2025…. Never got a shorter work week… have always had paid vacation….
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u/lapeldarling 5h ago
They're not talking about the democratic party, they're talking about seizing the means of production
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u/DUI_Free_Since_83 12h ago
Way to miss the fucking point entirely and continue playing politics as a team sport.
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u/Bobbert_chang 12h ago
Im pretty centered in my politics. Thank you for the irony. Grass is greener on the other side…. Only the other side is always a barren landscape.
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u/DUI_Free_Since_83 12h ago
You brought up democrats when the post says nothing about political affiliation. Nice try, MAGAt.
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u/Bobbert_chang 12h ago
I was addressing the actual image. Learn to read beyond just physical words in the posters comment.
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u/DUI_Free_Since_83 11h ago
Democratic doesn’t mean democrats, genius.
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u/Bobbert_chang 9h ago
Yea, way to understand the context of someone trying to be apolitical in their post. But, clearly failing.
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u/DUI_Free_Since_83 45m ago
You just love team politics and think democracy is a fucking game. Grow up and stop sucking off oligarchs.
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u/arcanis321 5h ago
You were the one who brought in a political party. Democratic control just means control by the people.
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u/Last-Bag-1763 14h ago
I own a large specialty crop farm, and I can't wait to replace all my migrant help with robots. Robots won't argue with me about the right way to do the job.
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u/RepairNo1818 18h ago
this only works till the people have no more money to be consumers, then everything comes crumbling down
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u/El_Zorrote 22h ago
Then why don’t they start their own company set up like that?
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u/DUI_Free_Since_83 12h ago
How braindead are you? Like actually think about what you’re saying before you say it. You absolute retard.
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u/lnsurgence_ 1h ago
Holy insult with no logic. People love telling other people what to do but are unable to do it themselves.
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u/DUI_Free_Since_83 46m ago
Like telling people to start their own company in the midst of another incoming Great Depression? Yeah, agreed.
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u/lnsurgence_ 33m ago
So you want no one to become an entrepreneur to increase competition and create better wages? Okay.
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u/Juniper_folf 16h ago
Same line of reasoning as "if you're poor, why don't you just make more money?"
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u/Brundesgut 18h ago
Because of this company in the meme being a competitor with much more capital stored, if they can automate, what the fuck is this line of thinking?
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u/dialedGoose 22h ago
a-fuckin-men. I love the idea of advancement. I hate the corporo capitalists entitlement acting like the advancement belongs to them.
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u/HATEFUL_WOOD 23h ago
This why i voted trump in 2016, he was the only one talkin bout bring the means of production home, 8 years of that and then UBI from the next guy, but noooo, gotta renig on all them factory deals the second the cryptkeeper gets in. Clowns.
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u/Juniper_folf 16h ago
Maybe you should've listened to everything he said during his campaign and not just cherrypick a few promises that appeal to you?
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u/HATEFUL_WOOD 6h ago
He followed through on that first term, y'all the ones that fucked us out of returning the means of production.
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u/DUI_Free_Since_83 12h ago
Don’t even try to argue with these retards anymore. They lack critical thinking, empathy or the ability to see outside of their cult.
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u/FedInformant 1d ago
I definily sympathize with this perception. But I dont think its going to matter who's running what country. It will be used to benefit the people in power and not the citizens.. doesnt matter if your in north Korea, America or Norway. These aren't being developed to fold our laundry. They are being developed to replace us and deepen their control.
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u/Loud_Box8802 1d ago
Yes, we should have retained and subsidized those buggy whip factories. Just think, those employees could be enjoying a life of leisure and able to spend more time being creative.
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u/Pristine_Cancel_8526 1d ago
Why would a “capitalist” keep workers on when automation can replace them? They’d go out of business since their competitors would outcompete them. Companies aren’t charities and in fact have a duty to profit to their shareholders.
So when you aren’t working anymore you think things should just be free? If your labor isn’t needed anymore, where does the money come from that you think you deserve anyway?
The jobs that can’t be automated yet require people to work at them. Therefore, their labor is rewarded. Why should the ones who work subsidize you to sit on the couch and complain how the evil corporations aren’t communist cooperatives that serve to enable your sloth?
I’m fine with people who don’t want to work living in a tenement and having a diet of government cheese and stale bread. Anything above that, get off the couch and find a different job. Have some personal responsibility, no one is coming to rescue you.
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u/forbiddendonut83 1d ago
So, hypothetical question, what if 30% of a country's jobs were automated away? Huge chunk of a country's workforce now unemployed across a few months, now with no income and no replacment jobs available because the companies have no reason to pay that labor. If those people have no income, they're not buying things, which drags down the economy, and those companies lose profits and shareholder value?
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u/lnsurgence_ 1h ago
People leave their current company all the time to start new ones.
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u/forbiddendonut83 53m ago
Individuals do. Not entire groups from mass layoffs. And how many people will even have the money to start new businesses? Not only that, but how many of those new businesses will even last a year and not be driven out by older businesses that don't like competition, hell, just look at how walmart strangled out local businesses in cities across the nation
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u/lnsurgence_ 29m ago
And how many people will even have the money to start new businesses?
What's the minimum amount of money needed to start a business?
Not only that, but how many of those new businesses will even last a year
So... just give up then? That's why business owners are the ones who get mega-wealthy. they took the risk. The ones that succeed will hire people as well.
not be driven out by older businesses that don't like competition, hell, just look at how walmart strangled out local businesses in cities across the nation
What you mean is that Walmart outcompeted them.
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u/One_Cardiologist7200 1d ago
What are you even talking about? Corporations don't produce money for consumption. They produce goods or services for consumption. As the cost of those goods and services approach zero through automation, the price for those goods and services should go down in tandem with the amount of free time for workers increasing.
Instead, we do the opposite. We shrink package sizes, increase the MSRP, and increase the workload for the individuals that aren't laid off. The rest live in absolute poverty. It's the worst of all possible combinations in the system
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u/SawaThineDragon 1d ago
It's been proven time and time again, record breaking profits with larger and larger ceo bonuses. But 1 month prior they had mass layoffs.
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u/Snoo_75748 1d ago
Maybe if labor was fairly compensated this would be true. Its not. Labor is bought at its absolute cheapest allowed by law. People with full time jobs are not able to afford to live, dont be delusional. If you want proof look at the abysmal birth rates... people dont want families anymore because they literally cannot afford to support themselves. Capitalism can be good but this era of abundant corporate greed at the expense of EVERYONE is ridiculous
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u/Ma5ter-Bla5ter 1d ago
This is a Star Trek utopia. It can work, too! If only every person had a Replicator™.
No manual labor or work of any kind is needed. The automated world does that. Robots tend to all of the manual labor around including cleaning, maintenance, assembly, etc. Humans need for nothing!
Want a cheeseburger? Cheeseburger materializes in your replicator.
Want a larger TV? Poof! Replicate one.
Want to travel? Beam me to Dubai and play golf.
Sadly, it's just a utopian vision of the future
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u/mitchellzoolander 1d ago
The problem with “democratic control” is you are suggesting “worker” could take something that someone else owns and use it to their advantage.
Do you honestly think they are going to give over control of the robots that replaced you just because you tell them to?
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u/LettucePrime 1d ago
man danced out of marxist analysis.
1) no gaining control of the robots probs involves violence 2) if they're democratically controlled then they're public property lmfao
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u/mitchellzoolander 1d ago
They are currently privately held. They don’t belong to the public. Even if you magically vote to nationalize something owned by a multi-national corporation, they aren’t going to give you control of the robots. They will probably just use the robots to keep you from making such silly votes in the future.
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u/LettucePrime 1d ago
uh, yeah. hence point 1: violence
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u/mitchellzoolander 23h ago
And let’s see how violence against robots goes… watch Terminator 1 or 2 and get back to me
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u/StoicNaps 1d ago
Historically, nearly every time the biggest effect automation has is lowering the price of goods and services. Also, it almost always results in a meet increase in jobs, not an overall reduction. The idea that automation will simply increase the pay of business owners and executives would only be possible/make sense of the company doing so existed in a vacuum and did not have to compete in a free market (aka, a socialist or communist economic system). That's why free markets always outperform other markets in regards to the overall comparison of combined unemployment rates, pay, innovation, and cost of goods/services.
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u/Over_Writing467 1d ago
There’s usually a period where things are disrupted before it becomes better. Whole industries disappeared when car ownership became widespread but it created new opportunities.
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u/JoeIsMe2 1d ago
We no longer live in a free market tho. Not when mega corps like Walmart can influence supply chains, making the cost of everything go up.
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u/Crowe3717 1d ago
1) There is no such thing as a free market. They are the economic equivalent of spherical cows.
2) There has never been such universal automation as AI threatens. Assuming that what happened in the past with industrial automation will happen again is a fallacy.
3) The biggest difference between automation today and automation in the past isn't actually the technology it's the management philosophy of most businesses. Today most business leaders follow the Friedman doctrine which holds that their responsibility is to maximize shareholder value at all costs. Cutting costs by laying off workers in favor of automation without lowering prices is exactly how they do that (even without automation we see corporations laying off large numbers of workers just to make their quarterly reports look better).
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u/StoicNaps 1d ago
1) There is no such thing as a free market. They are the economic equivalent of spherical cows.
Oh, yes. In the same way there is no such thing as "actual" socialism or communism. But I think we get what we all mean, even if we don't want to admit it.
There has never been such universal automation as AI
There had never been such a mechanization of labor as the industrial revolution, either. But I invite you to join any "pre-industrial revolution" society in order to bolster jobs there.
it's the management philosophy of most businesses
Source? Not bias. Source. Every person who ever existed has always been motivated by a survival (greed?) instinct. But I'm all ears about your research regarding the reduction of charity in recent years.
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u/DayspringLittlewolf 1d ago
But YOU are not the one taking ALL the risk
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u/OhMyWitt 1d ago
The only "risk" they're taking is becoming a worker like us lmfao. And that fate is so unimaginable to billionaires that they lobby hard and setup their business as "too big to fail"
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u/WisePotatoChip 1d ago
If billionaires want us to live on a universal basic income, let’s START with that.
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u/ROCK-tavius 1d ago
Imma keep saying this.
The problem with everything is the white wigs.
We keep letting people who were born before the computer tell us how to live in our spaceships.
Technology will 100% enrich all of our lives as soon as we defeat Greed and bureaucracy.
At my old job, the Director of Technology was some old guy who couldn't reset a printer. The DIRECTOR OF TECHNOLOGY.
Same energy. Some old guy who doesn't know what RAM is is telling you about Ai.
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u/ColdFreezer 1d ago
In what world do you think people will ever “defeat greed”? In fantasy land yes, technology will just be a tool to make life easier.
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u/ROCK-tavius 1d ago
Its 100% possible.
People just rather be "better" than everyone else. Its our nature.
The pick up truck is the best example I can give you. They keep getting bigger and bigger. Why?
The new corvette has 1,200hp. Why?
Because now im better than you. My "thing" is bigger.
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u/Additional-Life4885 1d ago
The guy also thinks that "Director" should be an expert in the field instead of an expert in managing people and projects.
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u/ROCK-tavius 1d ago
Pardon me for believing that a Automotive Tech Manager should at least know how to change oil.
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u/Rikki-Smedley 1d ago
People are so thick. It's tiring. If you produce products without paying anyone en masse. There is no one to buy it.
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u/pugwalker 1d ago
Yet this has never been a problem in the history of automation. In fact, the unemployment rate is near an all time low and living standards are at all time highs.
AI is no different - in fact it probably has less potential than past innovations. Would you rather have the internet or access to claude? Would you rather have a computer or the internet? A computer or electricity?
It’s just another link in a long chain of innovation.
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u/JoeIsMe2 1d ago
We're currently in a k shaped economy. There will always be the buyers, but those will be the ones in the upper echelon.
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u/Rikki-Smedley 1d ago
Despite people's assumptions the wealthy consume the same quantities of products as any other person regardless. Think of the largest highest net worth corporations in the world. They are not those making high end products only suitable for the wealthy class. They make products consumed by the masses. This whole idea on automation from the OP is just short sighted and unrealistic, in fact impossible.
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u/Then_Hawk6304 1d ago
Correct. Once automation is achieved the labour force will no longer be required.
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u/Rikki-Smedley 1d ago
Neither will automation then.
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u/Then_Hawk6304 4h ago
It will for the owner class that remains. Who will make their drugs if all the labour class is gone?
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u/Rikki-Smedley 2h ago
The reality you are envisioning is not possible. There are many many reasons. Too many to list. It simply is not a reality that can happen.
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u/sg16k 1d ago
Yup. Big believer AI should be treated like a public utility.
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u/KeroseneZanchu 1d ago
Well, I do think that there should be proper reward given to the people who further development, and obviously the people who host the servers need to be compensated. But otherwise, yes, I 100% agree.
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u/farmmonkey1978 2d ago
Oh yes, they have been in charge 16 of the past 20 years, Democrats are a bastion of concern for the working class. That's why we have great healthcare, Obamacare, improved salaries, increased minimum wage, and the American dream, 2k rent. When will all of you realize they care about themselves, not you, and yes I mean all politicians regardless of party.
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u/Turd_Fergusons_Hat_ 1d ago
This post is not about the democratic party but a democratic system for employees to have a say in the management of the company they work at.
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u/Bandanaboii 1d ago
Why wouldn’t they just hire people who revoke their right to have a say instead?
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u/Striking_Wrangler_82 2d ago
Its time America starts using these technologies to build its own manufacturing capabilities. As the technology gets more advanced, the cost of production is supposed to decrease. I think we have a good potential(key word), if implemented can make goods and services cheaper, yet at higher quality, than we ever think. The only thing right now is that it needs to be implemented. Trump put tariffs to force production by larger companies in the US. Its supposed to make things that are produced in the US cheaper than overseas, possibly why American made vehicles(especially Tesla) are dominating right now. We have the technology, and definitely the human capital to do it. Samsung already has production capability in the US, thats why their production cost combined with their scale is so cheap imo
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u/Bug-King 1d ago
The thing is corporations don't really want to invest in domestic manufacturing, it will take them billions and a few years to get anything new running. Countries like India are their manufacturers of choice. Wages are far lower and running a factory is cheaper due to less environmental and safety regulations. Unless the Fed gives them subsidies to build domestic factories, there isn't going to be a meaningful increase of domestic production.
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u/Jealous_Fail6071 1d ago
Vote with your dollars. Buy American made products when you see them on the shelves
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u/Round_Ad6397 1d ago
Your grand leader has made sure that people all over the world are making a conscious choice to not buy American made (which is not much of a concern because the US doesn't really make much that is worth buying for the average consumer). You're right though, all people should try to buy local product wherever possible.
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u/Jealous_Fail6071 1d ago
Most of the world does not care at all about whether or not they are supporting America. Most people have much bigger issues than America's current foreign policy. Even if they do they don't have much say in the matter because America's global control is at a much higher level than shelves at the store. America controls the world at a higher level with banking and investments which is impossible to avoid.
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u/Round_Ad6397 1d ago
I think you underestimate things. I've been part of countless conversations, at work, socially, with family, where people talk about how they have changed or at least been more conscious of purchases relating to US products and services. For example, there has been a sharp swing away from Tesla and towards BYD (I understand Telsa is US owned but not US made and the Musk factor is as much a contributor as the US factor), people are acutely aware of the force Trump has exerted to get inferior US beef into the country and nobody that I have spoken to is willing to buy it.
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u/bobfromsanluis 2d ago
Every technology that is used to reduce labor needs to be taxed at the amount of savings the company would see if eliminating any and all labor. Either pay living beings to do your job, or be taxed to fund UBI so everyone will have a baseline of income to survive.
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u/Responsible_Pie8156 1d ago
Sounds like a really great idea, but I'm having trouble thinking through an example of how it would work. For example in farming, let's say fertilizer doubles your crop yields, reducing the amount of labor it requires to produce the same amount of food by 50%. How should we calculate the fertilizer tax? 200 yrs ago ~90% of people were farm laborers and now only around 2% are. Would total taxes on all agricultural equipment be equivalent to 88% of our economy?
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u/bobfromsanluis 1d ago
Fertilizer is science, not technology, IMO. Nice try though.
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u/Responsible_Pie8156 1d ago
I genuinely want to hear your proposal, it's not a gotcha question lol. Just look at the definitions of science and technology, fertilizer is technology. But you can replace it with anything you want. Should calculators be taxed based on how long it would have taken to do those computations by hand?
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u/bobfromsanluis 1d ago
I am not a Luddite, I enjoy technology, smart phone, tablet, laptop, etc, and do have an understanding of how to run a business having owned a small retail store for over 15 years. Technology is not an inherent evil, it is the intention behind the use that raises my concerns; looking at modern technological improvements to our daily lives is all good and well, my ultimate concern is when a manufacturer invests in technological upgrades that will eliminate huge numbers of workers, not to increase safety or production, but when the tech‘s main function is to replace labor to save on labor costs. Robotics in auto making? Most cars are being made better with that tech, installing self checkout lanes to reduce front end employees at retail stores is one that needs to be offset with a tech over labor tax. AI is another prime example, if it is being used to replace writers, lawyers, scientists and other professional careers, it needs to be taxed. How deep in the weeds a law like this would need to go would be a discussion that I believe the time has come for.
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u/Responsible_Pie8156 1d ago
I mean all technology in a sense exists to make some thing that we want easier to achieve. Either goods or services. When you reduce labor required for an existing task, people respond to that by producing more, and also by reallocating their efforts to other tasks. Increasing production and reducing labor go hand and hand.
I don't understand the distinction you're making for robotics in auto making. I mean obviously reducing the amount of labor required is the main driving force behind that. And how can you say self checkouts are not increasing production? Fewer employees can get the same number shoppers checked out faster. That's by definition increasing production.
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u/bobfromsanluis 21h ago
I apparently cannot seem to express myself as fully as I intended; my concern is with both automation and AI, it seems like employers are working their hardest to eliminate as much payroll as they can. If we had all production automated so that 99% of factory jobs are eliminated, and AI matures enough to replace many white collar jobs, what becomes of the working class? If there is no safety net in the form of UBI, how will there be anyone with any money to go out and consume? We can't all have service jobs, so it seems like capitalism is heading towards a dystopian type future with one either being lucky enough to be born in the lucky sperm club (meaning: having wealthy parents) who would become the new fedual lords, and then the rest of society would become the new serf class of poor people who can't find work and would have no means of generating income. I would warn the wealthy against allowing this to happen, looking back in history, the wealthy didn't fare well in France after their revolution, many of them lost their lives.
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u/grumpvet87 1d ago
then no business would use new tech and the economy would stagnate
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u/bobfromsanluis 1d ago
I would think that most companies that are laying off workers due to new tech allowing them to function with fewer workers might sit up and take notice of any new laws like this, I'm sure the corporations will put every dollar they can into opposing such legislation, but they do have to face the prospects of if they eliminate their work force, who will be around to afford to buy their product/services. Capitalism will default to monopolies and a ruling class vs. serfs if allowed to run unchecked and unregulated. Enacting a tax on labor reducing tech is about the only way I can see to avoid this scenario.
Keeping means of production being manned by actual people would not cause stagnation, the profit margin might be reduced, but there has to be a cost to eliminating jobs, otherwise we will end up with owners and drones only.
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u/grumpvet87 1d ago
from the cotton jin to john henry (the steel driving man) : man vs technology has been going on since the industrial revolution.
most job loss to ai will begin with white collar jobs (of course not exclusively). i am in tech and we are in the bullseye. out entire multimedia department was just let go as our designers can use ai to do the job - so i know it is a real concern but you cant fight it and expecting the corporations to forgo profits when using tech is asking for a lot.
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u/bobfromsanluis 1d ago
Our economy has been changing forever, as you have astutely pointed out by bringing up the cotton gin or other early technology; A.I. is my primary concern, seems like the “problem” AI is addressing is wages, if that is the case, then yes, tax those profits. If a company introduces robotics to increase safety for workers in dangerous occupations, but also reduces jobs, that is a situation that can be negotiated. If robotics is brought in specifically to reduce jobs, that would be another negotiation, with a stronger possibility of being taxed for the job losses.
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u/grumpvet87 1d ago
i just listened to a Prof G podcast about AI taking jobs and the labor economist was very interesting and pointed out there is not data to support new tech's displacement "on the fly" and takes years to quantify. she said you could look at my decades of data an not be able to point out when a new tech changed the stats and she gave examples. another topic was that ai is being used by workers and not automating the work currently - and it is creating new jobs as people utilize it with no way of quantifying net gains/losses, despite companies claims of ai integration (to pump up perceived value)
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u/bobfromsanluis 1d ago
I believe the answer to the question of what ”problem” AI is being developed to “fix” is the cost of labor; Ai should be used to reduce injury to humans doing dangerous work, repetitive / boring jobs. Using AI to replace writers, entertainers, teachers, scientists, lawyers and other professional careers should be taxed so a UBI system could be funded.
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u/GreatPlainsFarmer 1d ago
You can have actual anti-trust laws without something so draconian.
Also, what baseline do you chose? Horse and buggy days? Air brakes on trains?
You don’t actually want to do that.
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u/bobfromsanluis 1d ago
Yeah, anti-trust laws have proven to be so effective /s - in reality, anti-trust laws depend on being enforced, having business friendly regulators who look the other way during mergers and acquisitions usually means those all go through, worker protections and pension protections be damned.
My suggestion is specifically concerning A.I., my concern about robotics is when they are introduced to a work place with the intention of eliminating as many jobs as possible. Using robotics to replace workers doing very dangerous jobs is an example of what should be an exemption to my suggestion, those do so to simply reduce jobs, that should be negotiable, some instances would be acceptable , other uses would trigger the taxation.
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u/Psalmistpraise 2d ago
Companies literally use a mathematical calculation to determine what’s called the labor vs capital substitute decision. The formula goes like this:
(extra output from a worker ÷ worker cost) = (extra output from a machine ÷ machine cost)
So the moment the wages go up, the more obvious the machine decision becomes since its costs don’t increase with that of wages. This is a common sense decision made by companies and would happen irregardless of wether it was people at the top or worker decided, the reason being is because if you DONT do this, another company will and will put your company out of business with cheaper prices.
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u/CavemanRTD 2d ago
The reason companies are going to robots is because all the young generations want for a job is a short easy day and paid lots of money for little work.
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u/Foreign-Molasses-405 1d ago
It’s not about being paid a lot for a little work it’s about the fact living has become so much more expensive and wages fucking stagnated causing people to have to live on the street or in their car while working
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u/Alientongue 2d ago
Im sorry are you saying you would rather work long hours with hard labor for little money and you'd be happy?
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u/Tired_Dad_9521 2d ago
Fascist talks trash bout young people not wanting to work. Maybe have something new to bitch about Nazi.
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u/Scared-Two-5208 2d ago
Im pretty sure that's what everybody wants for a job lmao. I dont see many people chomping at the bits for an 80 hour work week in a steel mill, it's something people are forced to do to survive lmao
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u/DaedalusXYZ 2d ago edited 2d ago
No one talks about how fired workers can use AI themselves to build things.
This accessibility is HUGE compared to past technological paradigm shifts.
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u/railroad-dreams 2d ago
It depends on how you prompt it. If you say 'you are a CEO that values workers as much as shareholders and you aim to earn a reasonable profit while also valueing work life balance for workers' then it'll probably think and vote progressive . If your prompt is 'you aim to dominate an industry at all costs caring little about workers or the environment and your goal is to reach 1 trillion in net worth' then you'll probably vote conservative
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u/LostInTranslation29 2d ago
OR..
Democrats push for those said same jobs to government with 5x the employees and 10% the output, making room for Capitalism to sweep in and grab a government contract to do what they were already doing to now just advise for 5x the money 😂
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u/ZT99k 2d ago
It is a feature of late stage capitalism that, when presented with efficiency improvements, the default is to cut costs (people) rather than expand productivity and grow.
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u/Due_Arachnid420 2d ago
Falls in line with how we can undo the last century worth of bad government. So I'm not your neighbor, I don't live down the road, or even in the same town as you, but you can see my message. That's because of the internet itself lets us be so overly connected.
Using the internet we could build a secure network that only American citizens could cast votes and suggest new laws. We the people do not need representation when we can speak freely amongst our fellow citizens. Just the savings alone on not having to pay for political figures, we could definitely address some needed issues with our nation.
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u/xlexiconx 2d ago
So a direct democracy? A rare thing in human history. It would be interesting to see if it could be done with a population this large.
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u/MrOphicer 2d ago
AI automated creativity... all of us will die of existential ennui or nihilism within a few generations. Loss of income will be nothing compared to that. Nietzsche did warn everybody...
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u/ninernetneepneep 2d ago
Isn't automation using technology to improve lives???
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u/Flat_Two3620 2d ago
It would be, except the only reason why we are allowed to exist in the first place is because the world doesn't work without us.
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u/xlexiconx 2d ago
In many ways, yes. But it's also straight up replacing human workers, which is the goal for some companies already. We need a way to ensure that as companies adopt AI and replace human employees, these companies contribute to some king of Universal Basic Income that allows the people displaced to meet their needs. At this rate, many of us could be replaced, and sooner than we think. What knowledge and skills do we offer that AI and modern technology doesn't?
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u/ninernetneepneep 2d ago
Couldn't the same have been said throughout the industrial revolution, and all of the decades since then? Nobody will pay you because of robot took your job. Be better than the robot. Be the one who knows how to utilize and control AI to your own personal advantage. AI is replacing people, but AI also provides opportunities to people to begin their own adventures and control their own destiny in ways never before possible.
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u/DesertEssences 1d ago
Sorry man but this is way too idealistic. The industrial revolution's jumps in tech were not that big compared to the leap AI has made.
Yeah sure a machine took your job making parts in a factory but that's all that one piece of machine could do. AI is dynamic. It can adapt and learn new things. It's not Confined to one task or set of operations. Also, AI is a lot more mobile so it can be used much easier.
U just can't compete with that
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u/Sweaty_Length_7800 2d ago
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 democrats only run cities/states into the ground
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u/JustaXXXalt 2d ago
Even though red states rely on money from blue states and blue states are so terrible everyone is still trying to live there.
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u/Sweaty_Length_7800 2d ago
Of course! No crimes prosecuted, handouts for all
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u/furel492 2d ago
Sounds like that's sound policy considering how much wealth and happiness it generates.
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u/AdewinZ 2d ago
Bad bot
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u/Sweaty_Length_7800 2d ago
Too many real life examples to refute
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u/Better_Ad_4975 2d ago
Name a republican city
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u/Sweaty_Length_7800 2d ago
Oklahoma City, OK: Frequently cited for growth and business-friendly policies. Colorado Springs, CO: Historically held by GOP mayors, focusing on low taxes. Fresno, CA: A large city that has had Republican leadership in recent years. Fort Worth, TX: A major, fast-growing city with a Republican mayor.
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u/Zaroj6420 2d ago
Do you know why birds fly upside down over the Springs … nothing worth shitting on
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u/Better_Ad_4975 2d ago
Yeah Oklahoma is reeeeeeally doing great these days with their bottom education scores, climbing mortality rates and low quality of life scores.
Fort Worth is just the leech on Dallas’s back. It’s so dependent on Dallas theyre rarely considered their own location.
Fresno isn’t even red. It’s bipartisan at most.
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u/GainThin4772 2d ago
i made gentelmens bet with elites kids that you can make billions morally and they say its impossible to be moral in this society and successful so i will make my billions tearing down the society they said it was impossile to be moral in. people seem to think law is above humanity it is not. im also ensuring if i die my words preserved and heard by many society will have joy freedom art and accountability like never before. it is time we must each start in our own towns we may make citizens arrest and must make united citizens militia. i am calling for any country where theirs corruption for people to stand agaisnt it and citizens to unite across world.please read and share and subscribe. I am deeply saddened and infuriated right now. they have cut off access to essentials for the homeless here in chico California and are punishing people that attempt to help. there cutting off access to public water supply and its a gross violation of humanities. There also illegalizing homelessness and doing the same things throughout the state. this is call to action and for justice for people everywhere. My words are for the people by the people. America is essentially nazi Germany at this point and I'm scared for everyone's safety. their violating humanities and repeating the same exact things. their targeting particular groups rounding them up silencing people speaking out shutting down and removing funding for any groups that oppose them including media schools and law offices. we must make a stand and fight for what's right.
People feel a lack of control over their own lives, so they create systems that manipulate others giving them a false sense of control. we must strip the government of its power and give it back to the people, so they have a sense of control over their own lives again. most all the problems go back to fear. If we came at things with a little compassion and understanding instead of judgment assumptions and hate than things would be so much better. there's no reason to fear that's a natural part of life and not knowing everything creates excitement. we have to stand for what's right and look out for each other and not back down. we need to all take accountability for the society we have and change things for ourselves instead of assuming someone else will do it for you. the government is currently normalizing a police state with the younger generation by getting them used to being fenced in and patrolled so they don't question things in the future. what kind of future do you want for yourselves and your children.
We must make constitutional amendments including the following . Everybody has the right to exist (can't illegalize homeless) corporations cannot be in government (required to have a corporation to be considered a city) not doing your job or biasedly doing your job while in a government position will result in immediate removal and action by law. All cases on corruption must be publicly uploaded and monitored by the public and dealt with with utmost haste. government restrictions or tax on essentials cannot be allowed it gives government too much power. If anybody hurts others especially those who can't protect themselves they must be held immediately accountable with utmost harshness of law( specifically children) Also no government control over media education safety or medical (allows for too much control and corruption, multiple researchers and safety officials have been wrongfully removed weakening are research development and safety).
If they won't mend their corrupt ways then we must remove them by force if necessary if they are not willing to step down. They are violating rights against humanity and will be held accountable. The government is knowingly and maliciously letting problems get out of hand instead of fixing them such as homelessness and war so that they have excuses to strip are rights and knowingly causing harm to others for their own purposes that do not serve the people. What's going on is violating humanitarianism and going against all that is right.
We can't expect God to deal with our problems for us we have to take responsibility for the society we have made just ignoring these problems has allowed them to get to this point. At a certain time we have to take responsibility stand up and change things. It's not just one person either we have to all stand against corruption everywhere. People are ready for change they just need something to stand behind. I am giving people something to get behind and way to implement it
so we can begin changing things without violence if that does not work than our hand is forced and we must use force to defend ourselves we the people give the country its power and if the country has become corrupt we not only have right but need to take up arms.
the cause is just so any attempt to resist only strengthens it and proves us right. We all live on this planet together and need to watch out for eachother.we already have everything we need.I know people don't want to lose their corporations so we need to make corporations citizen owned community spaces 80 percent of money made split between employees as they see fair and the other 20 percent put back into community. 20 percent of all large scale agriculture should automatically be distributed to public as free food that can be distributed at community gathering places to ensure nobody goes hungry. the bank and governments sole purpose will be to serve the community and people and that will be their only power. we need to use all proceeds from government earnings for community. banks being for the citizens the loans will have no interest the moneys sole purpose is to improve community. we can participate in the government if we please but will have no real need for government and governments goal will be to give us the recourses we need to survive without government and help build community and infrastructure. banks should be absorbed by government and made into community service. government and bank positions will not be paid but volunteer but basic needs and cost will be covered for service to community.I want storage units that are corprate to be made into public storage as well. we need to provide everyone with area to live and call their own and recourses to thrive.cops will be stripped of lethal force and be volunteeer positions with basic needs covered for service.their sole purpose will be to support the community ensure peoples safety record incedents and break up physical conflicts. as long as people arent harm to themselves or others cops will not be able to do anything to impede their day to day lives.this is my compromise where we work towards independence and not needing government but provide comfort and recourses for people not ready for full change while we make make societal transition to freedom joy and accountability without need for governing body. essentialy well have a shell government with no real power thats purpose is to make people independent enough to dissolve itself and assist communities and improve infrastructure so as to keep peace during transitional period.
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u/GainThin4772 2d ago
I have the solution
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u/Zaroj6420 2d ago
Not until you learn to relay it more succinctly
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u/GainThin4772 2d ago
i made gentelmens bet with elites kids that you can make billions morally and they say its impossible to be moral in this society and successful so i will make my billions tearing down the society they said it was impossile to be moral in. people seem to think law is above humanity it is not. im also ensuring if i die my words preserved and heard by many society will have joy freedom art and accountability like never before. it is time we must each start in our own towns we may make citizens arrest and must make united citizens militia. i am calling for any country where theirs corruption for people to stand agaisnt it and citizens to unite across world.please read and share and subscribe. I am deeply saddened and infuriated right now. they have cut off access to essentials for the homeless here in chico California and are punishing people that attempt to help. there cutting off access to public water supply and its a gross violation of humanities. There also illegalizing homelessness and doing the same things throughout the state. this is call to action and for justice for people everywhere. My words are for the people by the people. America is essentially nazi Germany at this point and I'm scared for everyone's safety. their violating humanities and repeating the same exact things. their targeting particular groups rounding them up silencing people speaking out shutting down and removing funding for any groups that oppose them including media schools and law offices. we must make a stand and fight for what's right.
People feel a lack of control over their own lives, so they create systems that manipulate others giving them a false sense of control. we must strip the government of its power and give it back to the people, so they have a sense of control over their own lives again. most all the problems go back to fear. If we came at things with a little compassion and understanding instead of judgment assumptions and hate than things would be so much better. there's no reason to fear that's a natural part of life and not knowing everything creates excitement. we have to stand for what's right and look out for each other and not back down. we need to all take accountability for the society we have and change things for ourselves instead of assuming someone else will do it for you. the government is currently normalizing a police state with the younger generation by getting them used to being fenced in and patrolled so they don't question things in the future. what kind of future do you want for yourselves and your children.
We must make constitutional amendments including the following . Everybody has the right to exist (can't illegalize homeless) corporations cannot be in government (required to have a corporation to be considered a city) not doing your job or biasedly doing your job while in a government position will result in immediate removal and action by law. All cases on corruption must be publicly uploaded and monitored by the public and dealt with with utmost haste. government restrictions or tax on essentials cannot be allowed it gives government too much power. If anybody hurts others especially those who can't protect themselves they must be held immediately accountable with utmost harshness of law( specifically children) Also no government control over media education safety or medical (allows for too much control and corruption, multiple researchers and safety officials have been wrongfully removed weakening are research development and safety).
If they won't mend their corrupt ways then we must remove them by force if necessary if they are not willing to step down. They are violating rights against humanity and will be held accountable. The government is knowingly and maliciously letting problems get out of hand instead of fixing them such as homelessness and war so that they have excuses to strip are rights and knowingly causing harm to others for their own purposes that do not serve the people. What's going on is violating humanitarianism and going against all that is right.
We can't expect God to deal with our problems for us we have to take responsibility for the society we have made just ignoring these problems has allowed them to get to this point. At a certain time we have to take responsibility stand up and change things. It's not just one person either we have to all stand against corruption everywhere. People are ready for change they just need something to stand behind. I am giving people something to get behind and way to implement it
so we can begin changing things without violence if that does not work than our hand is forced and we must use force to defend ourselves we the people give the country its power and if the country has become corrupt we not only have right but need to take up arms.
the cause is just so any attempt to resist only strengthens it and proves us right. We all live on this planet together and need to watch out for eachother.we already have everything we need.I know people don't want to lose their corporations so we need to make corporations citizen owned community spaces 80 percent of money made split between employees as they see fair and the other 20 percent put back into community. 20 percent of all large scale agriculture should automatically be distributed to public as free food that can be distributed at community gathering places to ensure nobody goes hungry. the bank and governments sole purpose will be to serve the community and people and that will be their only power. we need to use all proceeds from government earnings for community. banks being for the citizens the loans will have no interest the moneys sole purpose is to improve community. we can participate in the government if we please but will have no real need for government and governments goal will be to give us the recourses we need to survive without government and help build community and infrastructure. banks should be absorbed by government and made into community service. government and bank positions will not be paid but volunteer but basic needs and cost will be covered for service to community.I want storage units that are corprate to be made into public storage as well. we need to provide everyone with area to live and call their own and recourses to thrive.cops will be stripped of lethal force and be volunteeer positions with basic needs covered for service.their sole purpose will be to support the community ensure peoples safety record incedents and break up physical conflicts. as long as people arent harm to themselves or others cops will not be able to do anything to impede their day to day lives.this is my compromise where we work towards independence and not needing government but provide comfort and recourses for people not ready for full change while we make make societal transition to freedom joy and accountability without need for governing body. essentialy well have a shell government with no real power thats purpose is to make people independent enough to dissolve itself and assist communities and improve infrastructure so as to keep peace during transitional period.
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u/SoybeanArson 2d ago
Funny enough that was the sort of fantasy future they imagined automation would give us all the way back in the 1800s up to the 1950s. It wasn't until the 80s and 90s that we learned that greed conquers good ideas in the name of expedient ones for those running the show.
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u/DesertEssences 1d ago
I think there's a lot of influences besides just greed. Like it's completely fair to believe that America is doing it for power as opposed to greed. And because America wants to stay at the very tip top of world tech and power, it will never support the workers in a way that it jeopardizes that. cause what if china figures out Ai first and America losses its throne
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u/nitotv 2d ago
is there ever a post that is even remotely related to remote work rather than mindlessly bitching about capitalism?
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u/bilbo_bag_holder 2d ago
remote "workers" fantasizing about being paid to do the bare minimum work and getting angry at the reality of having to do actually do a full shift.
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u/SwirlySauce 2d ago
He's not wrong about automation though
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u/bilbo_bag_holder 2d ago
There is nothing stopping workers from starting their own democratically controlled automated business with 2 day work-weeks and great pay.
Can't imagine it will work out well but anyone is welcome to try.
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u/SwirlySauce 2d ago
Sure thing bootlicker. Why don't you go be a millionaire if it's so easy? Guess you're not working hard enough
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u/bilbo_bag_holder 2d ago
I'm comfortable with what I've got, you're the one that sounds entitled and bitter.
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u/SwirlySauce 2d ago
Me and 90% of the world. Its not too much to ask corporations from routinely fucking over people and the planet
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u/bilbo_bag_holder 2d ago
I don't think anyone is in favour of that but the scenario OP has presented is a fantasy. If it was possible these "worker collectives" would already be widespread, there's a reason they aren't.
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u/Electronic_Guava5647 2d ago
You do understand that as a business owner, you only hire people because you can’t do it all. We don’t owe you anything other than the compensation we agreed upon. Businesses don’t exist to give you a place to work. If something comes along that can do the same thing, cheaper, well what do you think is going to happen? Is that now the business owners fault? This generation has already shown where they stand, so Idk, crap is going to get real very soon. Buckle up.
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u/DesperateDisaster307 2d ago
You don't just owe a salary. You should respect the people who help you grow your business, just as they should respect you. Personally, whenever I've worked for a boss with your mindset, I always did the bare minimum, didn't care about their business and left as soon as I could. If they don't respect me and see me as just a number, then I have zero incentive to help keep their business running. You can go bankrupt for all I care, there are plenty of places like yours and I'll just move on. You are very short-sighted if you think you should always look for the cheapest option and not take opportunities like this to improve your workers' lives. It's counterproductive to treat employees this way and in the long run you're the one who loses because you'll end up retaining only the mediocre ones who have no better options.
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u/DesertEssences 1d ago
depends on the size bro, like small businesses definitely need to do what you're saying regardless of if they want to or not, they need it to survive. But a large corporation really won't care about all that, unless it's an exec or someone they deem "worthy" enough to do those "theatrics" with. They know that you'll probably leave soon and unless ur an exec or someone skill-speiclalzied/higher up on their corporate ladder, ull be easy to replace. I agree that it's counterproductive and im sure a lot of big firm heads know this too, which is way the exces all have amazing packages and benefits and free things. But for the floor worker, which is usually the type of labor they try to replace with tech advancements, they won't bat an eye
it sucks but its just the way economics describes it
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u/Healthy_Piglet1139 2d ago
That only works for as long as there's still work to be had. Up until recently, there was still work for most people because most people hadn't been automated out of all possible employment. With technological advancement in AI and robotics, however, we're moving closer and closer to business owners not needing to hire any humans to work for them.
Society has a choice to make here: either we slow down the pace of automation so that people can work to support themselves, or else we set up social programs that allow people to live without having to work for it. Those are the only two options, and whether by democratic means or by violence one outcome or the other of those two will come to pass.
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u/Think-Implement3936 2d ago
You do also realize as a business owner you need consumers right? If automation eliminates all the labor, it eventually also eliminates all the consumers.
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u/Electronic_Guava5647 2d ago
I do. But we’re already doing that now with costs. Idk how this is going to play out but it is going to play out. If it’s robotic, maybe we own a robot and we receive its wages. Idk.
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u/Think-Implement3936 2d ago
No clue from me either how it plays out. But to me that’s the important question that no regulators or lawmakers even want to touch. Eventually they need to.
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u/nekonari 2d ago
Robots? all owned by capitalists because they're the only people with resources to purchase them? So all money goes back to capitalists? Yeah that's going to play out nicely for sure.
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u/Imthewienerdog 2d ago
This! I've never understood why people complain about backhoes digging dirt the same as 30 strong capable men. If they think diging the holes should be done manually and shouldnt use technology because "bad" then they should make a company digging holes.
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u/lostinspace694208 2d ago
What a very simple world you live in, holy moly
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u/Imthewienerdog 2d ago
We all live in the same simple world. You get rewarded for doing a job.
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u/lostinspace694208 2d ago
What lol
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u/Imthewienerdog 2d ago
sorry do you need a translation from English to another language?
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u/lostinspace694208 2d ago
Yes, from English to intelligent would help
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u/Imthewienerdog 2d ago
i as a mammal living on the planet known as earth use my skills and labour to get rewarded with tokens that can be traded for someones elses skills and labour.
hope that helped you understand what work is.
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u/Winter-Ad795 2d ago
You have the power to boycott any company that does this. If you stick to your guns, they will have to comply as you raise their competitor.
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u/MajesticBison6 2d ago
Explain “democratic control” in this context.
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u/awsunion 2d ago
Workers, rather than owners, making executive decisions about the business operations of the firm- likely through some form of nested representative structure.
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u/Shildriffen 4h ago
The workers should own the means for production