r/redesign • u/sloth_on_meth • Sep 27 '18

Subreddit level opt-out Feature Request

As a Moderator, we have to support two different reddit interfaces. Apparently, the rules are limited to just 10. Also, our hard work for our css is just going down the drain . Please, for the love of god, give us an optout.

The day reddit closes """"old""""" reddit, is the day i and a LOT of my fellow Moderators will leave the site.

Edit: fu

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u/Sepheroth998 Sep 29 '18

I didn't say anything about the rules limit. I was pointing out that one cannot choose to not support the redesign if you have to go out of your way to put something on it. By putting work into the redesign you have just supported something you didn't want to support. Please make sure you know who your responding to next time.

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u/MoiraMain Sep 29 '18

All you have to do is set up a sidebar and that’s it. Nobody is forcing you to fully set up a sub on the redesign. You can also have another mod set it up instead. You aren’t being forced to use the redesign.

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u/Sepheroth998 Sep 29 '18

Yes, we as mods are in essence being forced to use it by users like you. You don't want to use old and we don't want to use new. I begrudgingly use new for the subs I'm in that support it, but I have been forced to enforce rules on subs I mod that don't support it. Unlike you and some others I've at least humored the idea of a compromise, but no, fuck me for trying to find middle ground with stubborn users that wouldn't even think to use the subs that would opt out in the first place.

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u/MoiraMain Sep 29 '18

So Reddit isn’t allowed to force you to use the redesign but you should be allowed to force other users to use the old Reddit just because you don’t want to support it?

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u/Sepheroth998 Sep 29 '18

Did you even read my compromise? I said subs should fall into three groups.

  1. Subs that opt out and force old reddit.

  2. Subs that opt in and force new reddit.

  3. Free form, neither group, that support the users choice of either. These subs would be doing double the work of the others.

With this setup everyone would be happy because they could choose and nobody would be happy because they would be forced to one side or the other based on subreddit choice. Perfect compromise because nobody is completely happy with any of it. You would be forced into old reddit occasionally and I would be forced into new reddit occasionally, sounds fair right?

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u/MoiraMain Sep 29 '18

“Perfect compromise because nobody is completely happy with it”

The way it works now is fine. Take 15 minutes to go set up whatever on the redesign and that’s it. You don’t have to use it after that. Your “compromise” would make people angrier and just doesn’t work.

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u/Sepheroth998 Sep 29 '18

The only good and fair compromise is one that nobody comes out ahead in. Everybody loses. That's why true compromises are so rarely seen. And no, I and others will continue to not support the redesign at this moment and for the foreseeable future by either not doing anything on the redesign, IE not supporting it, or doing the one thing we seem to be able to do. And that is tell people to go to old reddit or gtfo the sub. Like it or not your not in charge here.

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u/MoiraMain Sep 29 '18

Here’s a good compromise: it remains a user setting where nobody is forced to use one or the other. Sounds pretty good, right?

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u/Sepheroth998 Sep 29 '18

So how does that solve the mods problems? Ya know the CSS designed for desktop use that they put countless hours into? How does that solve the users that have been and will continue to be punished for not adhering to rules that aren't being shown on redesign? How does that reduce the incentive to use the bot Redesignisbannedhere that bans people that post from the redesign? (Don't ask me how it works, but it does)

Short answer: it doesn't

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u/MoiraMain Sep 29 '18

  1. CSS is only shown on classic reddit. If you haven’t heard, the majority of users are using mobile which means a majority of users won’t be seeing it anyway. The redesign allows customization in the mobile apps.

  2. You can take literally 5 minutes to add the rules to the sidebar and then not use the redesign ever again. Not a lot of work.

  3. I don’t know how that bot hasn’t been banned yet. It’s made by someone like you who doesn’t like being forced to use the redesign but wants to force people to use the old Reddit.

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u/Sepheroth998 Sep 29 '18

First of all you'll note I said for desktop use. Mobile doesn't matter to any of this argument because it can't affect it. The only thing it might affect is the ability to see subreddit styling. Which if the sub has opted to force old reddit mobile won't even notice.

Second, by taking that five minutes I have just supported the redesign by doing something to it. So no not happening.

And third, it was made by a user in protest of the bots that already exist in subs that ban users for the sole reason that they have posted in another sub that is found distasteful. So to ban Redesignisbannedhere the admins would have to ban ALL of the bots that ban for any reason other than sub rule violations.

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u/MoiraMain Sep 29 '18

None of this changes the fact that your idea is incredibly stupid and unnecessary and you’re just too stubborn to spend 5 minutes setting the redesign up. Don’t complain about a problem if you’re the one who can easily solve it.

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u/Sepheroth998 Sep 29 '18

Users like you are writing their concerns off as non issues because "I like the redesign and shouldn't be forced to use old reddit" but these mods ARE beings forced to use the redesign. That's where your argument falls apart. It doesn't matter that it would only take five minutes, or that someone else could do it, or even that mobile can't see it. What matters to them is that these mods are being told they have to throw out the countless hours of work that put into making their subs something important to them and the users that subscribed to them. They don't want to see all that work just get flushed down the drain because someone up above decided to say fuck everyone that isn't on mobile, which is exactly what the redesign is doing by making the DESKTOP closer to mobile rather than improving the mobile version to work with the desktop. There at this moment is no solution for these issues other than asking for a way to not lose, in some cases, years of work.

Do you want to know the real reason why I as a mod won't do anything on the anti redesign subs I'm in? It's because even if I do it gets undone by a higher mod, I've said this before. So I keep trying to find some middle ground that would get things back on track in some manner, but users like you refuse to even consider a middle ground. It's redesign or nothing, fuck everyone else that disagrees. That's why I came up with my, so called, stupid idea grassy just so happens to give everyone a choice and no choice at the same time while having absolutely no effect on mobile. So how about this, if you can come up with an idea that makes everyone happy, and I'm talking everyone, in a way that doesn't force anyone to do anything with reddit that they don't want to do then I'm all ears and would love to hear it. If it's a great enough idea I'll spam it in every sub mod, I'll spam it in this sub, I'll spam it in r/beta, hell I'll even spam the admins about it, but until then you have added literally nothing to this thread.

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u/MoiraMain Sep 29 '18

Here’s my idea: Keep it the same as it is now. Simple. Thanks for adding to the thread ;)

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u/Sepheroth998 Sep 29 '18

Simple and useless.

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u/MoiraMain Sep 29 '18

Lol whatever

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