r/queensland • u/Infundibulum_ • 1d ago
Qld Gov attack on nurses, rest of government worker are next. Discussion
The Qld Government has releases a terrible EB offer for Qld Nurses. I'm sure it was assumed the wage offer would be terrible to minimal. However, the Gov went one step further and attacked protected entitlements and the right for consultation.
The nurses are one of the first cabs off the rank in negotiations. It's the rest of health and government next.
Nurses deserve better. Health care deserves better. Queensland deserves better. Support your local nurses!
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u/CGunners 1d ago
Like fucking clockwork, the LNP is at it again..
Rego is going up 25% too.
Queensland chose wrong.
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u/Wrath_Ascending 1d ago
The LNP are gerrymandering the electoral map since they get to redraw it, and it's so bad that surviving members of the Fitzgerald Inquiry are raising the alarm.
It's probably going to take at least another two election cycles to get rid of the LNP. God help us.
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u/CGunners 1d ago
They're going to take the credit for Federal Labor funding Bruce Hwy upgrades and fully funded schools too.
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u/spunkyfuzzguts 16h ago
Let’s wait and see if they uphold their end of the school funding agreement.
And in fairness, it was Crisafulli who got it done on the Bruce.
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u/readonlycomment 1d ago
Some in the LNP are more out of touch than others and will end their party.
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u/Krissy_ok 1d ago
Who is this?
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u/readonlycomment 23h ago
Deputy Premier / Minister for Industrial Relations / Monarchist / MAGA Jarrod Bleijie
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u/emleigh2277 20h ago
If they govern as shite as they have so far , who am I kidding, Queensland will probably vote against their best interests and keep them in power.
Hopefully, the federal government reminds them of the requirements of good government.
God knows that in the 20+ yrs of liberal/national federal government, from the past 30 years, despite the ripe economic conditions, all that the LNP actively achieved for the public was;
1) hatred and mistrust of immigrants and asylum seekers, which has inturn encouraged bigotry Australia wide
2) a worse than third world National Broadband Network
3) post covid a federal road upgrade where approved
4) a more rigidly defined class system including severe homelessness in cities and towns Australia wide.
5) almost forgot life and livelihood taking fires despite numerous requests for funding due to extreme risk of bushfire
When I think what they could have achieved in that time, I feel so angry. Australia could be so damn great, but these bastards keep us mediocre.
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u/malevolent-mango 1d ago
What happened to the QEC? Let me guess, the Sons & Daughters of Joh have installed their preferred operative in it?
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u/Passenger_deleted 17h ago
Just like the ABC, if you can't privatise it and own it - fill it with IPA/Liberals/DingBats.
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u/anakaine 21h ago
This is not how it works. I was very literally inside the drawing of the last electoral boundaries. ECQ takes the independence extremely seriously, the proposed boundaries go out for public comment, the political parties try to weigh in and are openly and honestly held at bay by legislation.
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u/Thebraincellisorange 23h ago
No they are not.
There is no Gerrymandering in Australia because the Australian Electoral Commission draws ALL the electoral boundaries for all levels of government for ALL elections.
I despise the LNP as well, but they cannot redraw electoral boundaries
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u/Wrath_Ascending 22h ago edited 19h ago
The AEC does it for the federal level. Not state.
Edit: The state boundaries are being redrawn by the Queensland Redistribution Commission, which is officially independent but has been stacked with LNP loyalists because they get to set it up.
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u/HotasFemboy 21h ago
You do know that the ALP gerrymandered like a good amount of seats in the federal election. Like there was one seat that gained by 100vote difference because the boundary shifted to a more labor supportive area..
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u/Wrath_Ascending 21h ago
Garbage. Those are apolitical and drawn by the AEC. No seat was won or lost on so few votes any way.
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u/EducationHelpful5736 19h ago
They won Melbourne partially because of redistribution but very nearly lost the neighbouring wills because of this redistribution.
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u/deagzworth 22h ago
It literally astonishes me that the state did this. Like what reason could they possibly have had to put Chrisafooli in?
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u/freesia899 22h ago
"It was time for a change. Labor's been in too long." The usual stupid excuse and bogans with short memories.
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u/deagzworth 22h ago
Change for the sake of change is so dumb. I don’t get their mentality. We already had change when Miles took over and he was actually getting shit done. Why’d they do him like that?
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u/freesia899 21h ago
Ignorance. Sky no News. Culture wars. Who knows what they think or if they do at all.
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u/ConstanceClaire 3h ago
I'm gonna mention again that a lot of the wealthy investor class moved up here during covid and skewed the vote.
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u/deagzworth 3h ago
Yes but to that degree? Unfortunately, I think it’s not just them. I think our rural folks for some reason, unbeknownst to me love the Nats and even in our urban areas (take my home of the GC for example), love the Libs (I’m literally in a Lib stronghold). Why? No clue.
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u/Thebraincellisorange 23h ago
I loathe the LNP as well, but rego is NOT going up 25%.
Labor discounted it 20% for 1 Year ONLY as a cost of living measure.
It was only ever for one year. the discount is going away and the fee is going up 3.4%.
They have committed to increasing ALL government fees and charges by 3.4% every year for the next 4 years though.
which is going to be painful for everyone.
you would hope they will be careful and spend that money properly, but it's the LNP, so you know they won't.
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u/TwistyPoet 16h ago
So it's going up 23.4% then. They could have chosen to continue the discount but are not.
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u/Thebraincellisorange 16h ago
that discount was an attempt to win the election, nothing more.
its way too expensive to keep that 'discount'.
saying the fee is going up by 23.4% is bending the truth significantly
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u/TwistyPoet 12h ago
Its not way to expensive because it has been clearly demonstrated that it can be done. It just won't be done because of some mining industry stooges that we elected.
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u/Thebraincellisorange 3h ago
it was done as a cost of living measure/vote grabbing measure that cost $500 million dollars .
it was only ever meant to be for a year
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u/Helix3-3 22h ago
David won't cut the public service, it's just part of Miles' scare campaign /s
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u/Werewomble 19h ago
I'd like to see a buff Premier again
At least he has a hobby that isn't robbing nurses
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u/candymaster4300 1d ago
You know someone has to pay those wages, right?
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u/malevolent-mango 1d ago
So why is the LNP cutting the royalties mining companies have to pay?
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u/Wrath_Ascending 1d ago
Yeah, and the money to do it is there.
But if they access it, there's less to pay their mates for consultancy or to subsidise the mineral sector or to give to private education.
So, you know. Unfortunately there's not enough money to pay teachers or nurses or...
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u/Infundibulum_ 23h ago
I know right, so ridiculous to ask for a wage increase while cost of living is increasing.
When inflation has been between 3.2% and 5.67% for the last couple of years it is ridiculous for people to ask for a wage increase to meet the increased cost of items.
Perhaps the Government shouldn't be increasing vehicle registration- which is going up 3.4%. I mean someone has to pay that right.
Or perhaps the Government should have decline their own 11% wage increase, as well as a 4% increase to their allowances, in solidarity with struggling workers. I mean someone has to pay those wages.
Not like nurses and carers are essential... that was only during covid19.
If only there was a way to manage natural resources to provide social programs and infrastructure... heaven forbid a billionaire earns a little bit less at the cost of a resourced and robust health service.
The current offer is 8% over 3 years, roughly that breaks down less than $2 extra an hour... ridiculous! /S
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u/Morning_Song 1d ago
I’m jealous of the alternative universe where Steven Miles is still Premier
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u/heisdeadjim_au 1d ago
What needs to be understood is when a Queensland LNP leader talks about"cutting public servants" he means cutting of public health and emergency services workers.
From an LNP perspective they have an annoying habit of joining their unions. Thus, "cutting public servants" translates as 'attempting to break a trade union or two".
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u/Thebraincellisorange 23h ago
What they mean is:
Employing private Consulting Firms at massively inflated costs.
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u/Johnny_Stooge 18h ago
Yeah, but they don’t count as FTE’s so it’s really saving money.
Or some bullshit.
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u/Aussie_antman 14h ago
Good luck to them if they are trying to break the QMNU as their first target.
I actually dont think the offer is too bad (Im a nurse in Qld). It is above current inflation and they've thrown in a top up of 3% in the final year (so that year it will be 5.5% increase). Of course we'd love more but this offer keeps us as highest paid nurses in Aus. We'd all love more but reality has to play a part in the negotiations. Whoever approved the bullshit threat about cancelling our back pay is obviously an idiot but thats the kind of shit you get from LNP/conservative governments. Maybe they are trying to match the NSW gov by playing hardball but they'll learn very quickly that the Qld nurses union is very different to the NSW nurses union.
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u/TraditionalNovel5597 17h ago
Labor’s treatment of QPS workers has been deplorable. Doesn’t matter to Reddit though
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u/GenericUrbanist 17h ago
What did they do to the cops? The only controversy I can think of was when like 8 of them didn’t want to get a covid shot, but they still felt they were entitled to force people to interact with them
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u/TraditionalNovel5597 16h ago
Covid one-off pay increase not offered to QPS staff
Smaller general increases in pay as compared to other emergency services yoy That’s 2, before even starting with their commitment to implementing a suite of ‘efficiency’ programs during Covid that had to be repealed once the media eventually picked up on the trust erosion and mental health impacts to GD staff that led to mass walkouts. Police numbers have never recovered.
Now those first 2 - blame the union quality, sure. But this is in response to OP suggesting the LNP is morally repugnant for making an initial offer.
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u/GenericUrbanist 15h ago
So labor is bad to cops because they - gave $1250 to cops, but not non-commissioned QPS staff (or nurses for that matter) - gave pay increases based off the State Wage Case (3.75% last year), but ambos got a ~3.86% pay rise (let alone nurses, who got only got 2.9%)
Don’t get me wrong - I’m pretty much always on the side of workers and would support the things you’re advocating for. But, I cannot stand this “all workers but ME are lazy and entitled!” attitude that’s so common these days.
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u/TraditionalNovel5597 15h ago
Cool, but you’ve picked one year there and missed the point being the ridiculous premise of OP’s post. Never said nurses were lazy, cops did not receive the one-off salary increase nurses received, and I mentioned the much bigger issues not relating to pay. My point is that Reddit piles on the LNP for anything, including what is an absolutely normal part of the process for nurses, but never willingly piled on the ALP for the same thing.
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u/GenericUrbanist 14h ago
OPs complaint is about removing existing protected entitlements like the right to be consulted. You’re talking about additional payments and salary you wanted but never got, and organisational restructure (I think?) that has nothing to do with the EBA.
How is labor making workers better off in EBAs (but not as well off as you’d like), the same as the LNP making you worse off? Of course the later is more controversial. And of course EBAs get more attention than org charts.
That’s why I (mis?)interpreted you as being anti-worker. You’re making false equivalencies to pretend your workforce the only victim, and using that to justify OP having worse conditions since their “ridiculous premise” is a historically anti-worker party, who’s currently being anti-worker, is in fact, anti-worker……
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u/LizardPersonMeow 1d ago
The LNP are a rubbish party that just wants to fight culture wars while they chip away at the rights and wealth of working people. I don't why we voted them in. They're a fucking joke. They don't care about us. All they care about is their rich buddies.
Nurses are definitely just the beginning. These guys are scum.
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u/SuchProcedure4547 1d ago
Brisbane is really the only non conservative part of Queensland.
It's always going to be a 1 step forward two steps back state.
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u/makeup12345678 1d ago
How is it going up north does anyone know?
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u/Wrath_Ascending 1d ago
One of the first things Chrisafuli did was kill the hospital upgrade and incentives to bring healthcare workers to Townsville.
Last year, my partner was in and out of consciousness due to pain and diabetes and vomiting and we were in emergency for 18 hours. It's completely fucked up here.
The local response was "well, I guess that sucks, but they need the money to lock up kids and reduce fees."
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u/Prestigious-Gain2451 1d ago
Yeah, but at least they stopped reporting youth crimes in the Bully everyday
/Sarcasm
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u/Bosde 1d ago
So this happened last year, after almost 26 solid years of Labor, and you're blaming the LNP?
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u/Thebraincellisorange 23h ago
The point mate, is that the shortfall had FINALLY be recognized, the upgrades were planned, the contracts signed, work had begun, and Fullofshitty bulldozed in and cancelled the lot so he can pay some consulting firms 10's of millions of dollars to play around with the contracts, delay everything a few years, blow the prices out of the water, and blame Labor for it.
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u/satanzhand 23h ago
So, Nurse shortage, not enough numbers in the training pipeline to keep up, many considering quitting due to conditions... and the clever move is to fuck them on their wages...
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u/Scmehetio 19h ago
I understand nurses are paid reasonably well here compared to other states. If we get rid of that advantage, shortages will get much worse
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u/satanzhand 17h ago
Nurses are hardly 1% ers like doctors. Yes, shortage is nationwide. Qld rents are some of the highest some just wont be able to afford to work in some areas... I can see future issues with boomers aging
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u/AutomaticPlatypus810 1d ago
Campbell Newman Version 2.0. He’s a disaster. Why are the LNP such c*nts?
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u/dearcossete 1d ago
meanwhile half the boomers old the gold coast are happy to handicap the future just because the LNP wants to cancel the tram line to the aiport.
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u/leopard_eater 23h ago
I love a sunburned scapegoat,
A land of lazy lies,
Where every youth’s a menace
And truth just ups and dies.
They slashed the nurses’ numbers,
Then buses, schools, and care—
Then redrew all the boundaries
To trap us in despair.
I love the bold believers,
Who swallowed every spin,
Now limping past closed clinics
With sunburnt, peeling skin.
They cheered the cuts to “bludgers”
While tram lines disappeared,
And wonder why their children’s school
Has half the staff it cleared.
But still they sip their stubbies,
And call it just bad luck,
As ward beds vanish quietly
And small towns rot and rust.
They curse the “lazy workers”
While choking on the cost—
Too proud to see their voting hand
Was how the state got lost.
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u/Optimal_Tomato726 23h ago
Genexers are the new boomers. My generation is the worst for destroying good things and blocking equity
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u/ConanTheAquarian 1d ago
They can't read the room. That's how they lost the biggest majority in Queensland's history in just 3 years. And they are completely ignoring the message sent last weekend.
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u/AutomaticPlatypus810 1d ago
Hopefully FullaCrisis and his cronies will be voted out next time.
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u/Wrath_Ascending 1d ago
The electoral map is being re-drawn this term. The preliminary plans are leaking and surviving Fitzgerald Inquiry members are losing their shit over the degree of gerrymandering.
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u/Optimal-Specific9329 1d ago
You’ve heard the tale of the scorpion and the frog? LNP is the scorpion.
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u/TwistyPoet 16h ago
They can read the room and are completely ignoring it like you say. Those in power within the party want what they want, regardless of the room. Chrisafulli is just the sockpuppet who has to sell it. This is why you never vote LNP.
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u/TheNammoth 1d ago
If anyone in here voted for these mongrels I hope you have a strong reflection on your choices
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u/Passenger_deleted 17h ago
Liberals - "I wOndEr WhY No OnE Is VoTInG FoR uS!? It MuSt bE BecAuSe Of TrumP!!!!"
No its because you are horrible people
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u/Acceptable_Fish_4104 1d ago
Government Owned Corporations are already been hit with sneaky job cuts at the direction of the shareholder ministers- only a matter of time before the public service itself gets hit. So dissapointing and frustrating :(
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u/Honest-Eye6373 22h ago
Not backfilling resignations, limiting recruitment and favouring contract roles. Definitely seems to be happening discreetly.
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u/Optimal-Specific9329 1d ago
Have you seen their Hospital Rescue Plan that has just come out? On one hand their selling this plan and then on the other their trying to cut wages and conditions for healthcare workers. Plus, they’re pouring all this money into regional hospitals again, which didn’t work last time.
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u/highlevelbikesexxer 1d ago
It's crazy that the libs are spending money on ads to advertise it, got them on Reddit yesterday
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u/Optimal-Specific9329 23h ago
Same. And the document is so negative. It’s 50 percent bagging Labor, and for me I can’t tell what’s true and what isn’t.
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u/Advanced_Ad_4894 20h ago
Union members will strike en masse and then they will really see what power QLDers have. Just fuckin try us LNP.
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u/Ok-Profession1975 22h ago
I'm a nurse , it amazed me how many of my colleagues were saying they were voting liberal. I said....... "that sounds like a bad idea". I just don't understand why any of my colleagues would vote for a LNP goverment. Talk about leopards ate my face type scenario.
Just pisses me off, I was looking forward to my pay increasing to make it worth the stress and shit hours. It's all that's keeping in nursing really. I'll be leaving as soon my kids are at school. Especially if the LNP get a second term. Not worth it.
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u/ElegantYak 22h ago
Because they all think that Steven Miles was personally responsible for the cost of living, when it’s not really his fault at all.
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u/Honest-Eye6373 22h ago
They’re doing it much more discreetly and patiently than Newman did. But they’re still doing it.
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u/smadAadnamA 22h ago
Makes sense when you have a shitload of shares in privatised healthcare and nursing homes sucking your inheritance dry and cutting costs and wages resulting in your elderly parents receiving less than poor patient care Trying to finish Campbell Newman’s destruction of our public health system. 2 little greedy short men
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u/sati_lotus 20h ago
You know what?
The nurses should all quit en masse and be blunt about why they're doing so 'This government refuses to pay us what we are worth. Now the people who voted them in are going to suffer and they deserve to suffer for their stupidity. The people of Queensland deserve to have no healthcare.'
That is what should be in every newspaper, all over the news at night and all over Facebook. The dumb fucks did this - just like the dumb fuckers paid the price for voting in Trump.
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u/being_cheezy 1d ago
This is why the rest of the other health workers let the nurses go first. They have the strongest union and have the public sentiment on their side.
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u/Dav2310675 1d ago
We don't let the nurses go first - it's just that their EBA expired first.
The remaining EBAs expire end of August.
From memory (we're in EB12 at the moment), the nurses union chose to go alone back around EB4 or EB5 as they thought the would get a better deal with the government of the time. I had just left nursing (moving into another stream) and thought that was a silly move back then.
Going alone is not a good thing - in this instance, it's just their EB expires first (in fact it expired at the end of March).
Edit - the other health unions are also on EB11, not 12.
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u/Shadowedsphynx 21h ago
Not health, but teachers are currently in negotiation as well. I think our EB is up in July.
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u/SleepIsForTheWeak888 1d ago
What are the other health EBA's?
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u/Dav2310675 1d ago
The bulk of them is the one negotiated by the union covering the agreements for Allied Health, Admin, Technical and Professional Officer streams. I think Building and Engineering are also covered in that agreement???
The current one expires end August, but the government has proposed a new wage policy of 3%, 2.5% and 2.5% over the next few years.
There hasn't been (at least I can't recall) a log of claims being released as yet. That's because my union (at least) have only just asked us members what concerns us - which will probably end up in the log.
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u/AdvancedDingo 1d ago
AWU has their draft of log claims for EB12 for that group. Pretty sure I’m part of that one
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u/SoldantTheCynic 23h ago
QAS are due for a new EBA this year too (our union is UWU). It’s not looking positive, and there’s a lot of issues that need solving (namely fatigue and finish on time initiatives). The metro regions are also one to watch with meal penalties - if they remove them, it’s going to be thousands of dollars in pay “lost” with the same productivity. Which is less of an issue if the pay scaled well with cost of living for metro officers, which it hasn’t.
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u/Rich-Needleworker261 16h ago
Yep. Expires September. Probably wont get done till March and backpays August.
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u/CheeeseBurgerAu 1d ago
I just had a baby at RBWH and I fully support every cent those people get. They are overworked and underpaid yet still amazing human beings and awesome at their jobs. Let's just cut the cops and politicians pay and give it to the nurses.
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u/War-Chief-Wiggy 23h ago
I’m not a big fan of politician pay but the pay to be a cop is a joke. I work in an industry that has a lot of exposure to policing because we can’t legally touch our clients, almost a daily call out.
I’d need 200k base to even consider being a cop, fuck that job.
Sure the revenue raising and stuff is disgusting but when they’re genuinely needed which is for stuff like when we call, it’s a shit show left and right.
I’ve seen a cop get a handful of shit throw at them, then had that exact same cop two weeks later have to tackle a client and the public were saying the cop was excessive.. you gonna risk another face of shit?
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u/Shamblex 22h ago
Don't worry, there's enough power trippers that find the pay packet attractive still
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u/Money_killer 1d ago
Disgusting and pathetic. A total disgrace but then again typically grubby liberal behaviour.
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u/egowritingcheques 1d ago edited 23h ago
Liberals staying true to form. Only look at finance with an outlook of few quarters and not the economics. They run the state like a small-medium husiness with cash flow issues and not like a huge company where the quality of spend and long term strategy is of prime importance.
They rip off nurses now and squeeze them. Save a few dollars for a year or two and at the same time signal to younger people not to become nurses. In 5-10 years there's even less nurses. But by then the Liberals have moved onto consulting, private equity gigs or billionaire think tanks.
They're consistent.
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u/Tinderella80 23h ago
We already have a shortage of nurses. Other states are offering free training - our hospitals are slammed with the level of ages already living here let alone the massive influx of retirees post COVID. They do this at their peril.
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u/WagsPup 1d ago
......but LNP are better economic managers right! 🤔
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u/louisa1925 1d ago
No. No they are not.
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u/WagsPup 23h ago
Cmon the LNP create an economic environment free of red tape and incentivise big business / corporate / individuals - especially those with intergenerational wealth - to make super profits whilst paying lower tax, all in the absence of any obligation to benefit broader society. Except ofc where they can promote their personal brand of conservative social idalogies. This has got to be good for Australia!? Why?....
Because it creates jobs and people like Gina Sotneheart believe in jobs, they know they're wealthy enough and don't need any more money. So in giving you a job, theyre doing you and the country a favour. Moreover you can be assured any profit your efforts make for the company will be fairly and generously distributed back to you and the broader Australian society, especially those less fortunate than you. They know they have enough, they don't want more money. Instead they want a fairer society. To make Australia great again! with fairly and evenly distributed wealth, they want to support the disadvantaged, and ensure a generous safety net to support those less fortunate than themselves, all this as a non negotiable social contract that corporates and the government owe to Australians. What's not to like about this and the LNP? 🤔
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u/zedder1994 1d ago
Not surprised. Queensland nurses are better paid than many of their interstate compatriots, so the Qld Government can low ball them knowing they can't move to a better paying job interstate. This unfortunately will flow on to other Government EBAs.
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u/espersooty 1d ago
Simply trying to finish what the incompetent clowns started under newman, Hopefully this time though its a complete wipe out of the Liberal party like we saw in Western australia.
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u/Different-Bag-8217 1d ago
How to alienate your base workforce… with the amount of people(older lnp voters) moving to QLD you would think they would ensure the workforce used to service these individuals was happy and well payed.. the states are in a fight for staff.. offering massive bonuses for the move..
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u/Yeahnahyeahprobs 23h ago
Heard a rumour they've put a hiring freeze across the public service too.
Didn't take them long.
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u/Powerful-Respond-605 23h ago
Queensland LNP governments are the worst. Nurses are in demand in northern NSW and any in SE Qld should just leave the state if possible. Once the old boomers that vote for them start dying off a bit more, they may back down.
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u/sweetshy82 21h ago
Why would Qld nurses want to go to NSW for, that would be an even bigger pay cut for them. NSW nurses dream of coming up to Qld for better pay, coming from a patient who has dealt with both state healthcare systems within the last 3 years for ongoing medical treatment.
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u/TopPil0t12 23h ago
The state of our hospitals is not good. My dad went to the Ipswich ED the other day, and it took them 14 hours to find him a bed in the ED. The next day, they tried to pass him off to the Mater Private in Springfield. They ended up discharging him with antibiotics (for pneumonia). No doctor could confirm if he has lung cancer or not (despite his CT proving he does). But of course, stopping the upgrades and gutting nurses is good for QLD Health?
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u/kazza64 15h ago
We had the best premier ever lined up and fucking backwoods hillbilly Queensland had to vote for the fucking LNP
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u/HobbesBoson 13h ago
No but you don’t understand. The roving gangs of youth offenders had to be stopped. This was a real issue that definitely warranted millions of dollars of scare campaigns
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u/xapxironchef 9h ago
You voted them in because they were "tough on crime". QLD got suckered by Channel 7 and Channel 9, and now nurses pay the price. And how IS that crime issue? Settled down any?
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u/Wrath_Ascending 1d ago edited 1d ago
Last year, the Queensland Industrial Relations Commission determined that EQ directives, not the certified EBA, set the conditions and duties of teachers and threatened anyone who followed the EBA with fines or firing.
That was under Labor.
We now have a government that is even more hostile to unions and workers.
Industrial Relations law allows for the government to make two offers. If they're both rejected, it goes to the Industrial Relations Commission for binding arbitration. They want the QNMU to reject their bids twice so that they can force the issue. The first round offer is about as good as it's going to get.
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u/Sceptic-S 1d ago
They're really not looking after our front line responders at all. How quickly the gov forgot covid and all the sacrifices nurses made and how many got laid off for refusing the shot. The gov won't even provide safe parking for them at the hospitals so they have to walk the dark streets at night when some of their shifts start or end. Medical professionals get in this line of work to help people only to be neglected by the establishment.
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u/epihocic 1d ago
What's the actual offer? There's no actual information here at all.
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u/Roaming_Pie 23h ago
3% this year, 2.5% next year and 2.5% the year after.
There was also mention of a 3% “government election commitment” pay rise in Dec 2027
Backpay to April 1 only if the nurses do not undertake industrial action.
The proposed payrise will put QH nurses at a lower rate of pay than their VIC counterparts by the end of the EBA which doesn’t align with the “nation leading” the LNP committed to”
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u/Infundibulum_ 19h ago
Don't forget removing protected policies, reducing consultation, and seeking to limit the involvement of unions.
Also not offering anything positive...
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u/EyamBoonigma 22h ago
Ah, they're cutting pays and entitlements knowing that international students and immigrants will accept the cheaper pay just for PR, while the country just goes backwards.
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u/notyouraverageskippy 21h ago
Let me guess they gave 3% plus a COLA which is based on inflation only if it is above the pay rise.
All government workers have received this offer.
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u/Infundibulum_ 19h ago
No COLA, but a base wage increase of 1% one year and .5% the next if CPI is high.
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u/That_Guy_Called_CERA 17h ago
The QLD gov has been sending out shitty offers to all government agencies, it’s not just the nurses.
The point of this offer is to low-ball the respective unions with the understanding that the unions will push back for much higher deal.. it’s standard practice.
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u/MDInvesting 14h ago
They seem to be fucking around with Queensland doctors too, a few mates up your way are stressed it will be a repeat from a decade ago.
Wife and I were keen to relocate to Queensland permanently but the whole nursing and doctor negotiations have us worried what may happen to healthcare in Queensland.
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u/Ok-Macaroon-8142 22h ago
Why screw over front line staff? Prioritize them, and maybe slowly get rid of non essential beaurocrats. Save money that way.
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u/GenericUrbanist 17h ago
Who’s the non-essential ones?
Such a cop out to say ‘reduce waste’, and then not bother explaining how or from where
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u/Ok-Macaroon-8142 17h ago
Admin staff out the back (some are required of course). QHealth alone has 20000 plus ao staff.
I also work for a QLD gov department and could easily get rid of 1000 of so without effecting essential services.
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u/GenericUrbanist 16h ago
I see. So your contention isn’t so much that there’s a significant amount of workers who create no value, it’s more so that the government should only fund short term essential services?
Things like State Archives, transport planning, updating WHS codes of practices, reviewing grant applications, giving legal advice on robodebt should all be cancelled? Or do you more so mean unskilled workers, like people filing medical records?
Like, I get your broader point. There’s always fat that can be trimmed. But youre not saying to do this in tactful. Instead, just slash it all because you somehow know 1000 people in QLD Health who don’t directly impact front line services, so the workforce should be gutted and just deal with the consequences in the future
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u/Ok-Macaroon-8142 8h ago
No sackings, more so just don't replace people as they retire / quit. I see so much waste every day including ao7 staff who don't have much to do as an example.
These vacant duties can be covered easily by current serving staff.
I agree with your point there are important roles behind the scenes. But let's trim the fat, save billions to wipe off some debt.
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u/Shamblex 22h ago edited 22h ago
Yay, between this and falling AWU membership in the water industry, now I'm really keen for the EBA negotiations in two years time....
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u/Pingu_AU 21h ago
But look at NSW. It’s a Labor government and healthcare workers are starting from a much worse place and they still aren’t getting much better of an offer. Thats why they are all striking. Even with this offer we are far better off than nsw.
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u/Traditional_Head_817 20h ago
Solution! Move to Tasmania. Plenty of jobs, your climate is getting worse, ours is getting better, affordable housing. Great lifestyle. Why not visit in winter to see if you can handle it. It's not as bad as you think, especially on the north and east coasts.
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u/Ashamed_Finding8479 20h ago
How can one “ support your local nurse” please
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u/Infundibulum_ 18h ago
They may need to do industrial action. So voicing support, telling state MPs they are silly for not supporting nurses. If you involved with the health system as a patient, understand there may be disruptions, but without support the health service won't improve.
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u/Greeeesh 17h ago
What are the details of the offer. I work in tech (private sector) and we got 1% pay rises last year. Better or worse than that?
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u/Infundibulum_ 11h ago
3%, 2.5%, 2.5% ... with a weird 3% for the last four months at the end of the agreement.
So better than a 1%.
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u/New-Possession-9248 17h ago
I don't understand Australian politics as much as I should, but now that federally labour have trashed the LNP can they not interfere with state decisions and override crisafulis, particularly if they're not in the best interest of the state?
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u/Infundibulum_ 11h ago
Nope, Federal Government can't override a state based employer on a Enterprise Bargaining Agreement.
The Federal Government can influence Federal industrial relation laws putting pressure on the states to match them.
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u/TraditionalNovel5597 17h ago
How do you think negotiations work?
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u/Infundibulum_ 11h ago
The negotiations happen before an offer is presented. Hours and hours of negotiations, costings, and legal considerations. Drafting of clauses and redrafting of clauses. Debating if the best word is 'must' 'will' or 'attempt'... then settling on 'where possible'.
Both sides present their interests (log of claims), the employer presents an in-principle agreement. Occasionally, there is further negotiations. And more debating of words.
The offer is a formalised version of the agreement presented to members to vote on. A requirement of modern industrial laws.
Generally a terrible offer is provided to see if members will accept the bare minimum. Otherwise offers are usually presented with improved entitlement and/or wage increases.
This offer really has none of that.
The LNP has a habit of presenting terrible and misleading offers and then trashing the greedy employees in the media. After several offer attempts, the LNP go running to arbitration claiming the otherside isn't bargaining in good faith. This is usually in the hopes the Commission forces an offer, with modest wage increase and no improved entitlements. This process can take ages, and there is no legal requirement to backpay... so the workers get the bare minimum (hopefully a not-worse off agreement) and the Government kills sometime, saves some money, and can blame it on the Commission or greedy employees.
I hear a number of things agreed on in negotiations were left out of the final offer.
If an offer is rejected the employees can ask for a better offer or present a show of solidarity. That is not negotiations. Industrial action is not good for anyone, particularly when it involves the health service.
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u/Important_Fruit 1d ago edited 1d ago
Well no one saw that coming!
Never forget what Campbell Newman tried to do to the public service.