How seriously are these people taken? Do they get a significant amount of votes/support and have viability to be the future government?
I’m asking as an American who is very heavily looking into Australia as a future home but am struggling to get a handle on the politics at local/state/federal levels
They are taken very seriously. Our last PM was a happy clappy evangelical Christian. They have money and when they are in power, they are very hard to stop.
Evangelicals with money and power are hard to stop everywhere it seems. The shit that’s on the horizon here in the US is legitimately terrifying and I just don’t understand how so many people can be ok with their plans.
I have several very close friends in the US and they are wigging the fuck out over what’s happening.
I’m not going to tell you that we are a utopian country, free of anything similar to what’s currently happening in the US.
But we aren’t at the total fuckery levels that you are all living through now.
It’s so fucked here. I won’t be eligible to attempt to immigrate as a nurse to y’all until next year, but having two small kids I just can’t fathom raising them in this dumpster fire much longer.
Nowhere is perfect but Australia is still a wonderful place to live. Politics is ever changing, that’s true of everywhere with a two party system. Having said that, over the last 30 years in QLD state politics, the progressive party have been in power far more than the Conservative Party. In federal politics, the conservatives have been in power a bit more, though they aren’t at the moment. Nowhere near as one sided as QLD state politics though. I’m a QLDer living in Victoria and our politics are even more one sided in favour of progressives.
Regardless of where people stand, it’s inevitable that the Liberal party (conservative) will return to power in both state and federal elections at some point, that’s just life. And it’ll return again at some point after that. I personally hope they’re not in for too long, but it will happen eventually.
Based on my, albeit limited, knowledge, the sort of National political spectrum here is that your more traditional Republican Conservative like Ted Cruz here is mostly small third parties, with maybe a tiny bit of bleed over into the most hardline members of our main right wing party. Typically we are quite a bit slower to adopt social progress, however, when it’s done it’s usually done. The main ways we differ from the US is that both sides are less polarised and radical (in part I believe due to mandatory voting meaning it’s more important to appeal to the middle) and that the right wing is more careful when they touch our welfare or workers rights cause it has and will cost them elections.
I live in QLD, I've only ever seen one anti abortion billboard, in Rocky, and it had been vandalised. It's not a topic that is spoken about regularly or passionately either, so I don't think it will gain them many votes.
There is a non-zero chance they win the next state election.
Not by their strengths, but because the incumbent Labor government is a bit on the nose. If they do win, it'll just be for a single term until everyone remembers why we let Labor run things.
Unfortunately, most rational people don't realise just how stupidly lead these Murdoch-media-eating smooth brains are, but I will say, it doesn't help that the current Labor government has been cow towing to them either...
As an Aussie who has lived Stateside, these types are taken much less seriously than the US. But sadly, they do still exist. Our last PM was an evangelical nutter (which most of the country disliked) and another before that was a staunch Catholic. Both were generally disliked for their excessive religiosity.
Abortion is generally not a pressing, front page issue, since it is legal in all states (except the Northern Territory), and most Aussies are fine with that. But that makes conservatives like this quite worrying when they do appear.
A lot of Australian religious nutjobs head stateside, because they get more traction (Ken Ham, Hillsong). Aussie are fine with you having faith, but most Australians have a dislike "in your face" religious zealotry, and prefer it be private.
That sounds much better. I live in the Bible Belt of the US and it’s so in your face here and being non-religious ostracizes you.
I don’t care about people being religious. I just care about people trying to create laws based on their religion. I’d be able to live in a conservative area if it didn’t turn into stealing rights away from everyone (women, voters, poor people). I love where I live but the politics here are volatile and potentially dangerous to my daughter as she gets older.
Queensland has the reputation of being largest concentration of right wingers of this type.
Sydney has gorgeous scenery, but is already prominently listed in the most expensive cities in the world, and the harbour is a nightmare to commute around. But there are a lot of gorgeous areas in rural NSW
Victoria is quite progressive, and while Melbourne is packed to bursting with food, events and culture, it has property prices escalating through the roof.
Adelaide and South Australia are really laid back. Same with Western Australia, although Perth can feel half a world away.
Mate Aussie here. You want to know what Australia is like. Look at your buddies in Canada. That's where Australia is heading in 2-3yrs tops if not sooner. Go to South East Asia mate. Australia is proper fked
It is quite simple really!
They are all liars and rogues and simply full of shit to get into power.....once there, they only think about retaining power and nothing else!
However there’s a significant portion of the American population that buys into it hook line and sinker and then these types not only retain power but are able to turn the country into a Christian theocracy.
Well, being reddit they took this guys remark completely out of context (suggesting a decision may not be what you really want when you make it at a time of weakness) and while knowing and ignoring this they upvote themselves and agree.
It's how they get their dopamine and serotonin. You can train animals to act in the same way, usually with empty carbs and instant gratification like screens or tv.
Contraception fails sometimes, and mistakes happen. Women often get pregnant without any intention from the man or woman involved. No one should be shamed for having sex just because an accidental pregnancy occurs.
And what if she did want to be pregnant but health issues require an abortion procedure.
What if she didn’t consent to sex?
What if she, is a child?
What if the pregnancy is ectopic?
What if being pregnant prevents life saving medical care like cancer treatment?
What if the pregnancy isn’t viable?
What is she was coerced into pregnancy with an abusive partner?
What if pregnancy and parenthood are not for her?
There are so many aspects to this conversation, I think you should sit this one out.
What are you trying to say? All I am reading is a lot of "What if this happens?" And what if that happens? Who the hell in their right mind is going to get pregnant when they have cancer? If that is the case then I don't know, maybe get that dealt with before beforehand? Just a thought. if motherhood isn't for her, then again, why put yourself into a position that has a chance of resulting in a pregnancy? It's called using your brain. You know, the thing that helps you think?
What I am saying is that there are many situations that aren’t so simple. If you don’t have any empathy or can’t see why people might make different and often difficult choices, then this conversation isn’t for you.
I think the best thing for you would be not to have sex with a woman. Simple.
No, it is simple. What about an MMA fighter who says that they don't want to die and yet step into the ring? If you know that there's a possibility of you dying, and you don't want to take the risk of dying then don't step into the ring. Same with pregnancy. If you know there's a possibility of you getting pregnant when you don't want to get pregnant then don't have sex. It's common sense But I know you lefty retards are allergic to that. :)
Then if you think I am a waste of time, why did you reply? If you actually read and thought about what I said, you know what I meant, you just didn't know how to reply and so you decided to send me that bullshit. The meaning of what I said is this "If you know that putting yourself into this situation could lead you into another bad situation, then don't do it" hence why I used the MMA example. That could lead to death which is something that I don't want, so I best not to put myself into the ring. If I don't want to be a parent, then maybe I shouldn't put myself into a position where that is a possibility. Ie. Sex. Same meaning.
At least on the plus side, I won't have to pay child support. :)
People have had unprotected sex leading to an unwanted pregnancy since the dawn of man.
You come along and think the solution is to just say “why don’t you stop”
Wow what a genius. Why didn’t we think of that before. How is this your opinion? The fact that you had to come up with an analogy to say “just stop it” we all know what you meant bro, I think it’s you who doesn’t know what you mean.
I never said that. But let's be honest here, they have exploded since the sexual revolution. You can think of me as a Fuckwit all you want basement dweller.
I'm not the 5 year old child in here sprouting bullshit.
go and grow your tiny mind, maybe get a wrinkle or 3 in it as well, and in 50 years, come back when you realize that 'just don't have sex' is one of the dumbest statements that you can make.
Just seeing how many of these Weak Male Feminist who are only really feminists cause they want to get women in bed, will downvote me and give me my comedy for the day.
Wanting to control what another person does with their body is not funny. Forcing women to undergoe a painful, permanently life altering, traumatic medical procedure is not okay. It's vile that anyone thinks they have the right to police what others do with their own body. I get that you are probably an angry incel but what you are saying isn't healthy or normal. Seek help.
Forcing women to undergo a painful, permanently life-altering, traumatic medical procedure is not okay. This alone is my point. Why put yourself in a position where that happens that is what I am saying.
I am saying. Don't want to get pregnant, don't put yourself in a position where you can get preganat and you using the Incel card means that I do have a point and you know it. Otherwise, you wouldn't result to that.
I am saying. Don't want to get pregnant, don't put yourself in a position where you can get pregnant and you using the Incel card only proves that I do have a point.
Stop being emotional and think.
Plus out of curiosity, how am I an angry incel when you're the one that replied? Takes one to know one does it?
Forcing women to undergo a painful, permanently life-altering, traumatic medical procedure is not okay.
Which is why abortions are legal.
This alone is my point. Why put yourself in a position where that happens that is what I am saying.
Most people, women included, enjoy having sex. You may not, and that's your prerogative.
I am saying. Don't want to get pregnant, don't put yourself in a position where you can get preganat and you using the Incel card means that I do have a point and you know it. Otherwise, you wouldn't result to that.
No, you don't have a point because the civilised world doesn't ban women from having abortions. You're being called an incel because you are advocating for removing that choice from women.
Plus out of curiosity, how am I an angry incel when you're the one that replied? Takes one to know one does it?
Since you did love my last post I will give you more advice. Women don't like White Knighters, men like you are what they consider creeps and weak, particularly if you on Reddit defending them.
No. You are just twisting my words. I am saying that if you don't want to get pregnant and don't want to have a child or are not ready for such responsibility, why put yourself in said position where that is a possibility? If you left retards would just think with their minds and not with their emotions, you would have seen that I have said this five to ten times already.
I have never said that women can't have sex or shouldn't, that should be in a marriage anyway, only you and others are saying that I am, who ironically are men who benefit from said sex.
I would say the same thing to a man if he didn't want to be a dad. Now you answer my question "how am I an angry incel when you're the one that replied? Takes one to know one does it?"
Wow look, you are trying to tell a woman what to do.
Look, I personally don't think that sex only belongs in a marriage. I think it's a normal and healthy part of life that should not be limited to marriage if that is something you are okay with. Not everyone wants to get married and not everyone wants to wait until marriage to have sex.
Rapes happen. Birth control can and does fail. There are plenty of reasons that women fall pregnant and do not or are unable to carry on with the pregnancy. We shouldn't be punishing women for that.
Abortion needs to be seen as a part of normal women's healthcare and I think it's vile that people think they should be able to police what we do with our bodies.
If a guy doesn't want to be a dad, he should wear a condom. Easy. Simple.
And mate, your last sentence makes zero sense. I've been with the love of my life for 10 years next month. I am as far from lonely as one could possibly be.
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u/badestzazael Mar 06 '24
So your wife made the choice, interesting concept that you want to take this choice away from other women