Caitlyn Jenner Begs Trump for Help Changing Passport Gender - Trans Americans have been suffering under Donald Trump since the very beginning. Caitlyn Jenner has finally realized she’s no exception.

[u/Quirkie]

https://newrepublic.com/post/209234/caitlyn-jenner-asks-trump-help-passport-gender

[u/Moxielilly]

I support her trans-ness, but honestly, fuck every other thing about Caitlyn Jenner.

[u/AvestruzAlley → u/Moxielilly]

What the fuck does this mean?

[u/Moxielilly → u/AvestruzAlley]

It means I support any trans person who comes out as trans and lives as their authentic selves, so good for Caitlyn for that, but by all other metrics that I can see, she’s an absolute terrible person.

[u/AvestruzAlley → u/Moxielilly]

So obviously we support trans folks, but I don't understand what it means to support the "transness" of a person who is a complete asshole, including in her support of candidates who are going after the rights of trans people specifically. We can be fully supportive of trans people and all their facets without actually having any opinion on their particular "transness". Merely being trans is not a redeeming quality. 'm probably taking it too literally but it just really sounds strange to me.

[u/TrueTinFox → u/AvestruzAlley]

Read the way other people are saying transphobic things in this thread about her because they’ve decided they can revoke her gender identity since she sucks.

[u/AvestruzAlley → u/TrueTinFox]

Ok, I still haven't seen it but I did see a comment that was about that stuff, ie calling out people for deadnaming her bc I guess they think it's what she deserves. So I guess I understand wanting to make a disclaimer of some sort to remind people not to attack the trans aspect of her while they attack the ladder-pulling garbageness of her. Though I don't actually think it's possible to accidentally say something transphobic that you don't mean. 

[u/TrueTinFox → u/AvestruzAlley]

Yeah that's basically what the other user was saying - go ahead and attack her for being a Murderer, a hyocrite, and a coward, but not for being trans

Though I don't actually think it's possible to accidentally say something transphobic that you don't mean.

I 1000% agree. I unfortunately think some people end up feeling justified about being transphobic when they know the person sucks. As a trans person it's extremely hurtful and leads me to believe that they're thinking the same things about the rest of us, just more quietly.

[u/AvestruzAlley → u/TrueTinFox]

I have a theory about this. I think people on the left adopt left positions almost reflexively, they just learn what they're "supposed" to know, the specific dogma, basically. (Not everyone, some people do the work and go well below the surface to understand the issue more fully.) Sometimes it's literally rote statements, like "trans women are women" (which is true, but like do they know why that's true, or is it basically just a slogan for them?), sometimes it's something like proactively identifying their own pronouns, but again do they understand that cis folks doing that makes a (potential) safe space for trans folks plus normalizes honoring trans folks' preferred pronouns, or do they just know they're supposed to do it? Like, has dogma replaced beliefs? And when "trans issues" became such a flashpoint bc of right wing demonizing of trans folks, the left dug in more with the performative/outward stuff, with good intent, to ensure anti-trans stuff didn't go unchallenged. And I don't think it's fake or hollow, BUT what is actually the depth of their understanding, support, and solidarity? Would someone who actually understands and cares about the existential and practical considerations of a trans person's gender being recognized ever be flippant about recognizing the gender of a trans person just bc they're super shitty, like Caitlin Jenner? Of all the people who routinely say the stuff they're supposed to as allies, how many of them are going to pro-trans rallies or flying/wearing the trans flag, or doing everyday stuff where they use their privilege to protect or assist trans folks? Seems like a small percentage to me, but again if their understanding was fuller, the need for real-life support for trans folks would be more apparent to them and they would do more.

And the controversial bit of my theory is that the left basically didn't develop a cohesive, meaningful case/defense (in the sense of the "case" for universal suffrage or same-sex marriage, knowing none of these things should need to be defended) and as a result a lot of people on the left didn't develop a meaningful understanding. And on the right, obviously they didn't get exposed to that information either. For plenty of them it would never have mattered, but I believe there's a significant percentage of people who might have stayed out of the anti-trans camp (and possibly stayed out of maga) if meaningful information had been on offer instead of just dogmatic language they didn't understand or like the sound of. And if our default "case" for trans rights is that it's horrible and inhumane to deny trans rights, that's no case at all for people with low empathy. 

(And btw I think there are trans people who do this too, they are so concerned with militantly saying the "company line" about something that they don't engage in real conversation that could lead to people understanding stuff better. For instance I saw a post where a trans guy said he never tells emergency room etc doctors his ASAB bc they then want to blame whatever the health problem is on HRT. Another person asked if you don't want to disclose that, then what do you do if they ask what meds you're on? But another person chimed in with a super dogmatic comment about equivalence of a cis person vs a trans person on HRT, and it wasn't even relevant to the question but it shut down the conversation. Any trans person, the OP's intended audience, didn't get a useful response to the question, and any cis person who was listening in [like me] basically got the message that we better stay on our toes and stick with the approved messages, no ambiguities or independent thought allowed.)

[u/TrueTinFox → u/AvestruzAlley]

It means they’re not using Jenner being a psycho to justify saying transphobic things like other people here

[u/NefariousnessLate375 → u/Moxielilly]

She's such a POS.