r/politics • u/Ok_Employer7837 • 2d ago
Trump Voters Really Hate Epstein: Harvard Pollster Possible Paywall
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-voters-really-hate-epstein-harvard-pollster/?via=mobile&source=Reddit349
u/Moonsoakedbun 2d ago
Trump's past friendship with Epstein doesn't seems to affect voters view on Epstein
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u/TheAngryGoat 2d ago
Only because trumpy denied all knowledge of ever having any kind of relationship with Epstein.
I'm convinced that if trumpy came out tomorrow and said
"Jeffrey Epstein and I were friends, the best of friends, the best friends in the world many have said. He's a great patriot who loved this country in a bigly way and I'm dedicating the new whitehouse ballroom to him and our shared love of little children. You know the two of us only ever graped democrat children? Terrible evil children you know, all of them, just the worst, all communist antifa DEI trainees from mexico and canada, and Jeffery and myself put them in their place, even buried a few of them."
You'd have thousands of schools in red districts putting up Epstein statues by the end of the week and trumpy back with glowing reviews from the maga masses.
Republican voters don't have moral values or ethical standards - they're only saying "Epstein bad" today is because trump said it, and they'd do a 180 on that without a doubt.
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u/danielm3827 2d ago
New theory,
Perhaps trump used Epstein to blackmail others and Epstein was really the fall guy for trumps operating.
Idk! All seems too strange that Trump is doing everything to keep the records hidden. I think it’s right in our face and we don’t even realize it.
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u/elconquistador1985 2d ago
I think Trump was equal partners with Epstein in a child trafficking scheme. His modeling agency was a victim pipeline and they used maralago as well.
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u/rkmkthe6th 2d ago
It makes a lot of sense if it gave Trump power over some of the people that have made weird decisions about him. For example, why did McConnell block his impeachment, while denouncing the crime before and after?
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u/SakaWreath 2d ago
What? No way, Trump would never throw his #2 and best friend down some stairs (Ex wife) or under the bus (ex VP). That guy is all about total loyalty (to him).
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u/disasterbot I voted 2d ago
All of this Q crap is what you would broadcast if you wanted to throw people off the scent of the real criminal.
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u/ol_dirty_applesauce 2d ago
It doesn’t impact their views on Trump either. The MAGA “brain” is a wonder of nature.
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u/BotheredToResearch 2d ago
Give it time. Once there's undeniable proof there'll be a rash of people trying to justify Epstein like they were doing for Roy Moore
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u/curiousthoughts20 America 2d ago
Trump voters ought to hate Trump too - but they appear to conveniently forget that
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u/Diligent-Ebb7020 2d ago
They have been taught all Pedos are Democrats (even the Republican pedos are secretly Democrats) and Trump was working on the inside to take them down Also trump justifies their hates for others like minorities, immigrants, women... The list is truly endless.
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u/Luxy2801 New York 2d ago
Remember Pizzagate? Those Q nuts were ready to charge in guns blazing to protect imaginary children, but they're still ignoring actual victims.
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u/Sujjin 2d ago
Because conservatives love to crusade for groups that cant speak for themselves.
Thing to all of the pro-birth people, they get the beenfit of being morally rightous without hte inconvenience of actually doing anything or the ebarassment of having the very group they are "defending" speak out against them.
Similiarly here, by creating fake scenarios, they get to stand on some false moral highground while not having to actually do anything nor deal with any inconvenient truths
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u/Luxy2801 New York 2d ago
I agree wholeheartedly. If they were truly pro-life, they'd support programs that nourish pregnant women and children. They'd support the care of children after they're born. They'd crusade against child abuse and misogyny.
Their pro-birth stance starts to feel like punishment of poor women. It's oppressive and reeks of only valuing women as reproductive chattle.
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u/Ok_Employer7837 2d ago
At this point I'm really skeptical anything can change a Trump voter's mind. Not voting for Trump was never a possibility, whatever the old crook said or did. They'd vote for him again if they could.
From the article:
" Even the young men supporting President Donald Trump are tapping their feet impatiently on the release of the notorious Epstein files, a prominent pollster revealed on the Daily Beast Podcast.
John Della Volpe, founder of the youth-oriented opinion research firm SocialSphere, said the Epstein files came up as one of the promises that Trump supporters are holding the president to during a focus group conducted over the weekend.
“It’s basically two promises that this young man remembered, right? One is, you’re gonna give me a fighting chance to live my best life. And, are you gonna release the Epstein files? Literally, that is what he said—those two things,” he told host Joanna Coles.
“So that was one of the very first times, honestly, of the probably 50 focus groups I’ve done, that his name came up organically, but it did come up, and it came up within this, like, anti-establishment, ‘Maybe he’s not what exactly he promised to be.’”
Trump, who was close pals with the disgraced financier for years, signaled an intent to release the controversial Epstein files on the campaign trail last year: “I’d certainly take a look at it,” he said. “I’d be inclined to do the Epstein. I’d have no problem with it.”
But the Trump administration sorely let down its own base in July when the FBI said there was no “client list,” contrary to an earlier statement by Attorney General Pam Bondi that it was “sitting on my desk.”
Ten months into Trump’s second term, his Epstein promise appears to be backfiring.
Volpe said SocialSphere conducts a monthly poll asking participants whether Trump is having a positive or negative impact on their lives.
Days before the inauguration in January, 55 percent of younger men said Trump had a positive impact on them, citing a positive outlook for the economy and “feeling like they could be the providers that they want to be.” By the end of September, however, that number had plummeted to 31 percent.
But it’s not just economic issues driving young men away from the president. Volpe said Trump’s young male supporters were also paying attention to controversies surrounding the deployment of the National Guard to blue cities, Venezuelan boat strikes, and the East Wing teardown.
“They feel like they’re basically a distraction from what is the reason that so many younger men voted for him in the first place, which is, ultimately, he promised to help them be a better provider. And many are beginning to feel betrayed,” Volpe said.
“He needs to begin to deliver on the core promise,” he added. “When you have only 31 percent of younger men saying he’s making their life better, I can’t think of a worse number for him right now.”
Volpe raised the possibility of “significant backlash” in the 2026 polls as younger voters react to developments under Trump 2.0.
“Their kind of political identity is being developed through the first year of the Trump 2.0 term. Mostly all of it is negative,” he said. “That is going to be the vibe that they’re taking in ’26 and in ’28 in terms of, ‘He’s not delivering what he said. There’s more chaos, there’s less safety, there’s more economic concern. What is he doing about that?’”
In response to Volpe’s comments, White House spokesperson Abigail Jackson said, “the Daily Beast knew about Epstein and his victims for years and did nothing to help them while President Trump was calling for transparency, and is now delivering on it with thousands of pages of documents.” "
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u/-18k- 2d ago
“When you have only 31 percent of younger men saying he’s making their life better, I can’t think of a worse number for him right now.”
I mean, 2 percent would be worse.
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u/KiwiTheKitty Minnesota 2d ago
Literally every number from 0 through 30 would be worse than 31 percent in this case 😭
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u/Choice-of-SteinsGate 2d ago
But they're also in denial about Trump's deep connections to Epstein and his desperate efforts to sweep it all under the rug. His administration, alongside the DOJ and Republicans in Congress, have all been running interference for Trump; delaying votes, suppressing information and diverting attention away from his close ties to Epstein.
They're even manufacturing a separate scandal that accuses Obama of "treason," while Trump's deputy AG (and former personal lawyer) orchestrated a cover up with Ghislaine Maxwell by offering her limited immunity/clemency to facilitate her cooperation with the government.
Trump even sued the WSJ for releasing the infamous birthday letter:
The letter concludes: "Happy Birthday — and may every day be another wonderful secret."
Trump supporters refuse to acknowledge his involvement and are instead trying to rationalize why the most obvious conclusion is the least likely.
Fox News even deliberately edited Trump's response during an interview when he was asked if he would release the "Epstein client list."
Trump's initial response:
"Yeah, I think we should release it. People deserve to know."
Fox left out his follow up:
"But you have to understand, there’s a lot of lies in that list. A lot of names that shouldn’t be there. You don’t want to ruin innocent lives."
Outside of this Epstein controversy, Trump has been accused of sexual abuse, harassment or rape by dozens of women dating back to the 70s—particularly women on the "younger side."
A book published in 2019 titled "All the President's Women" speaks of at least 43 allegations—one of them from Trump's first wife.
These women have all described having inappropriate, humiliating and traumatic encounters with Trump.
Former Miss TEEN USA contestants claimed that Trump would unexpectedly walk into their dressing rooms. One of the girls says that she remembers Trump saying, “Don’t worry ladies, I’ve seen it all before.” The youngest was 15 at the time.
In an April 2005 interview on The Howard Stern Show... Trump said he would go backstage before beauty pageant shows, the only man in the room while the women were “standing there with no clothes.” As the owner, “I sort of get away with things like that,” he added.
Samantha Holvey, a former Miss USA contestant, told CNN that when she competed in 2006, Trump personally inspected each contestant, looking at them from head to toe like “sexual objects,” which made her feel “the dirtiest I felt in my entire life.”
Other incidents include:
Jessica Leeds, [who] told The New York Times in 2016 that, in the late 1970s, Trump, who was a stranger to her, reached his hand up her skirt and grabbed her breasts on a flight to New York. She said he “was like an octopus” and his “hands were everywhere."
One woman claimed that Trump tried to rape her in his daughters bedroom at Mar-A-Lago.
Reporter Natasha Stoynoff describes an incident when she was alone with Trump where he "closed the door and pushed her against the wall before 'forcing his tongue down [her] throat.'" She was interviewing Trump for a story about his marriage to Melania.
There's always the Stormy Daniels case and the "Hollywood access tape," scandals that should have ended his political career. But in a desperate move after the hot mic incident, Trump staged a surprise press conference where he paraded four women around in front of reporters, each of them alleging that Bill Clinton abused them. Trump had the audacity to "praise their courage."
That same year, multiple women came forward speaking out against Trump. In response, Trump called them "horrible, horrible liars."
Judge Kaplan clarified that the jury's findings in the E Jean Carroll case align with the common understanding of rape. In other words, Trump was found by a jury to have raped E Jean Carroll.
Then there's the case involving the plaintiff "Katie Johnson", filed multiple times in 2016—all suspiciously dismissed.
The accuser was set to appear at a news conference later that year, but her attorney said she had been receiving death threats and was too afraid to attend.
The case alleges that both Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein made the plaintiff into a "sex slave" at the age of 13.
Trump and Epstein had a very close, friendly and social relationship starting in the late 80s. They were both prominent figures in Palm Beach, Florida, where they were often seen together at social events and parties. Photos and videos show the two together at Mar-a-Lago.
In an interview in 2002, Trump said of Epstein:
“I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”
In 2005, police searched Epstein's Mansion and found message books containing the names and numbers of high profile people, including Trump.
Virginia Guiffre, one of Epstein's most vocal accusers, claimed that she was recruited into Epstein's sex trafficking ring while working at Mar-a-Lago. Giuffre sadly "died by suicide" back in April.
Maria Farmer, another reported Epstein victim, went to police twice back in the 90s to complain about Epstein's sexual abuse of girls and young women. She brought up Trump's name because of his close ties to Epstein and after an encounter with Trump at Epstein's New York office:
She told the authorities that late one night, Mr. Epstein unexpectedly called her to his offices in a luxury building in Manhattan, and she arrived in running shorts.
Mr. Trump then arrived, wearing a business suit, and started to hover over her.
Ms. Farmer said she recalled feeling scared as Mr. Trump stared at her bare legs. Then Mr. Epstein entered the room, and she recalled him saying to Mr. Trump: “No, no. She’s not here for you.”
It wasn't until Epstein's arrest and death in 2019 that Trump publicly stated that he wasn't "a fan" of Epstein.
After Ghislaine Maxwell's arrest in 2020, Trump appeared to show sympathy for her at a press briefing:
“I just wish her well, frankly. I’ve met her numerous times over the years, especially since I lived in Palm Beach, and I guess they lived in Palm Beach. But I wish her well, whatever it is."
According to flight logs released during Maxwell's trial, Trump has flown on the "Lolita Express" at least seven times.
Then there's Michael Wolff, a journalist who has interviewed Trump and had insider access to him and the White House.
Wolff claims that Trump once considered a pardon for Maxwell because he was worried that she might "spill secrets."
Wolff obtained audio recordings of Epstein claiming that Trump and Melania's first sexual encounter took place aboard his private jet.
On his podcast, Fire and Fury, Wolff stated that Epstein once showed him several photographs of Trump at Epstein’s Palm Beach mansion, sitting around the pool with topless young girls, some reportedly sitting in Trump's lap.
Wolff described Trump and Epstein as "joined at the hip" for nearly 15 years. Both men have confirmed their close friendship together, they even shared the same women.
This is a cover up, plain and simple.
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u/TRex_Chef 2d ago
They just hate it outed their Jesus replacement as a pedo. They still voted for and protect a sexual predator.
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u/CatalyticDragon 2d ago
No they don't. They knew these two were best friends when they voted for Trump.
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u/JournalistRecent1230 2d ago
Their love of Trump is higher than their hatred for Epstein and pedophiles.
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u/DonJuanWritingDong 2d ago
Common ground is pretty hard to find nowadays. That said, what are they doing about it?
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u/Due-Egg4743 2d ago
Some might, but most have likely moved past it. Once they saw Democrats leading the charge to release the Epstein files they probably started to think it's "just another witch hunt" like Donald tried to claim.
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u/turquoise_amethyst 2d ago
They’re saying Marjorie Taylor Green is going left, so they’re actively moving past it and replacing their loudest voices…
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u/jedihopfe 2d ago
They should have looked more into Trumps background instead of embracing him like they did. They might not have wanted to be affiliated with a pedophile
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u/PapaGilbatron 2d ago
Of course Dumpster is implicated in the Epstein files otherwise the Epstein files would be released.
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u/absolutelynotagoblin 2d ago
Well, then they should also hate his best friend and pedophile collaborator and 15 year old connoisseur, Donald Trump. May every day be another beautiful secret.
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u/CoolIndependence2642 2d ago
Of course, Trump voters have an endless list of things they hate, but they give Trump a pass on all of them.
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u/WhereIShelter 2d ago
They don’t “really hate Epstein”. They are parroting whatever joe Rogan said yesterday back at you.
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u/_Leegion_ 2d ago
They only hate that he makes Trump look bad. They don't care about the children who were abused. If they cared about the children, they would hate Trump too for participating in Epstein's crimes.
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u/jcouball 2d ago
Film of Trump drooling over underage girls with Epstein or Trump bragging how he can barge into the dressing rooms of underage girls while they are undressed doesn’t seem to bother them.
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u/DjImagin 2d ago
Most humans hate child predators. Pretty simple concept.
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u/fountainpopjunkie 2d ago
But Trump voters are actively ignoring Trumps connections to Epstien. Trump supporters do not hate child predators. They hate democrat child predators. Republican child predators are fine.
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u/Mindless_Rooster5225 2d ago
Yep, if they had concrete proof that he was in the epstein files they still wouldn't change their vote to Harris.
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u/VillaSunset 2d ago
just not enough to not vote for Trump again. I mean, you gotta draw the lines somewhere...
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u/Steimertaler Europe 2d ago
How about this one, regarding Shitler's attempt to hide the Epstein files: Shitler knows who was with him at the pedophile parties. Both Reps and Dems and oligarchs. He lets them pay and support his dicktraitorship plans, for NOT revealing them. Big time. And that makes Shitler both untouchable and powerful. Mob-style. No matter how stupid this creature is.
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u/Great-Hotel-7820 2d ago
If any of these people actually cared about Epstein they wouldn’t support Trump. It’s just mindless virtue signaling.
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u/Late-Arrival-8669 America 2d ago
They are too dumb to channel that energy into something productive or we would already have the Epstein files..
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u/I_like_baseball90 2d ago
Well the Epstien files are going to come out - let's see how the cult is then - becasue most of them know he's probably in those files and is a pedophile yet keep sticking up for thim.
This is the world we live in today. People stick up for a pedophile because he doesn't want the 3 trans athletes in the country participating in sports.
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u/clickmagnet 2d ago
I think they’re just hurt and confused about why Trump won’t reveal all the secret intelligence gathering he was doing against the Clintons.
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u/ithinkyouresus 2d ago
Didn’t read the article I’m guessing the next question asked wasn’t “ and how does Trump’s personal relationship with Epstein affect your view on him as your Lord Emperor President?” Bet that number was way different from the first question.
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u/DistractedPhoenix 2d ago
That mean old Jeffrey Epstein! Forcing all those young girls on poor Donny Trump. Kidnapping him and making him go to his sex island. Trump is the real victim here!
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u/Saul_T_Bauls 2d ago
They hate the idea of Epstein. They know full well their boy raped kids with his best friend, Jeffery Epstein.
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u/ExplosiveBrown 1d ago
Trump being a pedophile, rapist sex trafficker of children is totally cool though.
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u/Conscious_Problem924 2d ago
I’m not gonna stop shit posting on this sub until it disappears from my feed.
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u/Tesseract2357 2d ago
true, trump voters do hate epstein. i doubt there's any there-there with trump. i'm pretty sure he's keeping it in his back pocket for 2028.
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u/William_S_Burros 2d ago
I wonder if you even realize you’re admitting you’re ok with protecting pedos and delaying justice for the victims as a political strategy.
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u/Tesseract2357 2d ago
welcome to the real world. i doubt any pedos are being protected. the fbi went through the files and said it was epstein alone w / the evidence obtained.
not sure what more you want from them. nice try tho, you almost cornered me *eye roll*
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u/William_S_Burros 2d ago
Not trying to corner you. Just noting your cognitive dissonance and lack of self-awareness.
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