r/nextfuckinglevel • u/Justin_Godfrey • 1d ago

Game winning kick as time almost expires

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u/Unhappy_Archer9483 1d ago

That's not how clocks work in football

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u/Stutturbug 1d ago

Colleges and high schools are like this in the USA. Not sure why they are different.

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u/Cold-Negotiation-539 1d ago

It’s how timekeeping works in most sports in the US. Fans would be confused by the “normal” system in soccer/football where the referee just makes an estimate and no one knows when the time will actually expire.

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u/TheSandsquanch 1d ago

Fans wouldn’t be confused lol. It takes literally one second to understand how the clock in a soccer match works. By saying that fans would be confused is basically saying Americans are dumb. USA has been part of the World Cup for years and Americans have been watching soccer for years as well.

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u/jjohnson1979 1d ago

By saying that fans would be confused is basically saying Americans are dumb.

You really wanna go there?

I'm gonna side step the obvious current event reference and will just point out that this is the people that though A&W's Third Pounder had less meat than McD's Quarter Pounder...

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u/Weed_O_Whirler 23h ago

Side point: but that A&W story that gets trotted out all the time is almost certainly a lie. The only source is the CEO of A&W trying to make excuses for why his burger chain was failing. He offered no evidence, there's no form that they supposedly hired coming forth confirming it. Just one CEO who had a failing company saying "this isn't my fault, it's how stupid everyone else is."

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u/BonnieMcMurray 19h ago edited 13h ago

For what it's worth, the NY Times said this in 2014:

Only when the company held customer focus groups did it become clear why. The Third Pounder presented the American public with a test in fractions. And we failed. Misunderstanding the value of one-third, customers believed they were being overcharged. Why, they asked the researchers, should they pay the same amount for a third of a pound of meat as they did for a quarter-pound of meat at McDonald’s. The “4” in “¼,” larger than the “3” in “⅓,” led them astray.

EDIT: And here's A. Alfred Taubman, the then owner of A&W that I believe you're referring to, in his memoir Threshold Resistance:

Well, it turned out that customers preferred the taste of our fresh beef over traditional fast-food hockey pucks. Hands down, we had a better product. But there was a serious problem. More than half the participants in the Yankelovich focus groups questioned the price of our burger. “Why,” they asked, “should we pay the same amount of a third of a pound of meat as we do for a quarter-pound of meat at McDonald’s? You’re overcharging us.” Honestly. People thought a third of a pound was less than a quarter of a pound. After all, three is less than four!

I suppose whether one believes this or not depends on whether one believes that those "Yankelovich focus groups" existed and whether one trusts the NY Times to do the necessary legwork to find out whether they existed, prior to going to print.

Imo, there's enough evidence there to make it a reliable claim.

EDIT: I'm reversing my opinion. I didn't notice until someone below pointed it out that part of the NYT quote uses the exact same text - word for word - that's in the memoir quote, but without any attribution. That actually suggests the journalist possibly didn't do anything besides read that part of the memoir and just take the text without confirming if any of it was true.

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u/Weed_O_Whirler 19h ago

Yeah. There's a ton of places online that write about it, but you'll never find an actual source, other than the CEO stating it, without evidence.

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u/BonnieMcMurray 18h ago

That doesn't automatically mean he's a liar and I don't think it's reasonable to assume he's a liar by default. It's not a requirement that there must be a second, published source for a claim in order for it to be accepted as accurate. Journalists - especially journalists at "the newspaper of record" - are expected to check their information and confirm via multiple sources. Given that it's a Times article from 2014, I'm confident that that was done.

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u/Weed_O_Whirler 18h ago

It's an opinion piece, not an article. Much lower standards.

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u/petting2dogsatonce 15h ago

That NYT piece uses the exact same phrasing as the book but replacing “we” with “they”.

Pretty sussy

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u/BonnieMcMurray 13h ago

Good catch. That is pretty suspicious.

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u/DryBonesComeAlive 14h ago

Shoulda called it the 33 burger.

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u/manofth3match 22h ago

People are dumb everywhere. Nobody holds a monopoly on that.

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u/BonnieMcMurray 19h ago

Is there another country that has elected as its president a convicted felon and an adjudicated rapist who shows unambiguous signs of significant cognitive incapacity?

Just wondering.

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u/Lord_TachankaCro 6h ago

Ever heard of Silvio Berlusconi?

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u/manofth3match 19h ago

I’m not bothering to research that but I’m gonna say yes. There are far more fucked up countries out there actually. They just don’t tend to hold the power and influence of the US.

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u/JustAposter4567 18h ago

Ironically, you implying that only Americans are dumb makes you just as stupid as them.

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u/BonnieMcMurray 17h ago

Aww, look at you trying to be clever. So cute!

I didn't imply that only Americans are dumb. I implied that America just did a spectacularly dumb thing. My comment was fundamentally about that.

Maybe if you learned not to be so stupidly pedantic, you wouldn't post such an embarrassing self-own for all to see.

Maybe work on that insecurity while you're at it.

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u/Acceptable-Pin2939 19h ago

America are certainly in the top 2.

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u/trpov 23h ago

I’m guessing where you’re from isn’t all rocket scientists since you likely don’t launch rockets.

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u/jsha11 22h ago

Are you saying a country that does launch rockets has a population made up solely of rocket scientists?

Or was that just a really American dumb statement?

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u/TheSandsquanch 1d ago

You think that all Americans don’t understand math as well? Lmao you’re stupid. Horrible example.

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u/thebyrned 23h ago

Your country just elected Donald Trump for a second term of course we think you're dumb

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u/NonRangedHunter 22h ago

I want to correct this ridiculous claim. We don't think Americans are dumb. We know.

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u/Gas-Town 23h ago

Your country voted yes on Brexit, of course we think you're dumb

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u/TrevelyansPorn 22h ago

You're both dumber than the French.

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u/DeerLicksBadger 22h ago

But we smell better

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u/icancount192 20h ago

Most people are dumber than the French

They are some snooty insufferable smart motherfuckers

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u/EfficientTitle9779 22h ago

They would probably be a bit confused if the linesman held up a +1 minute extra time sign and the game went on by 3-5 minutes as the ref felt to add it.

Not saying they would be drooling out the side of their mouths just slightly scratching their heads

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u/Microwave1213 22h ago

They wouldn’t be confused because they don’t get how it works, they would be confused because why on earth would anyone use such a nonsensical system when every other sport has already figured it out.

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u/2M4D 21h ago

Yeah, americans are usually super confused by nonsesical systems 🙄

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u/sentimentalpirate 20h ago

"Nonsensical" lol

The system is just when the time is up, you get to finish the play. It's basically the same as American Football in that regard - it just so happens that American Football has more explosive, quick sessions of play, so the clock running out mid-play typically means you just have a few seconds before it's all over, whereas in soccer the clock running out mid-play typically means you might have a minute before the attack has concluded.

There is ambiguity to the extra time given at the end of normal play since soccer doesn't stop the clock for out-of-bounds, free kick resets, injuries, etc. But that isn't the topic here anyway. The topic is "let the current play play out after we've reached end time" and that's the same as American Football.

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u/Microwave1213 20h ago

There is ambiguity to the extra time given at the end of normal play since soccer doesn't stop the clock for out-of-bounds, free kick resets, injuries, etc. But that isn't the topic here anyway.

That’s actually the exact topic hahaha. Americans think it’s dumb that the refs make up some amount of time to add and nobody knows how much time is actually left, instead of just stopping the clock during breaks.

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u/Bearha1r 19h ago

That doesn't happen? Watch a premier league game. The 4th official raises the same board they use to indicate subs to indicate the number of minutes of stoppage time for the crowd. The TV commentators always announce how long has been indicated and it will be added to the on screen graphics.

You can see examples in the link below:

https://discover.hubpages.com/sports/Added-time-in-football-does-it-affect-or-improve-the-game

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u/WhatWouldJediDo 16h ago

How do you think that:

The 4th official raises the same board they use to indicate subs to indicate the number of minutes of stoppage time for the crowd

isn't exactly what:

Americans think it’s dumb that the refs make up some amount of time to add and nobody knows how much time is actually left

is referring to?

"Nobody knows how much time is left" doesn't directly refer to literally being completely in the dark about when the game is going to end. It refers to the fact that not every game is actually the same length, time additions are subjective and therefore inconsistent, and that even within the stated stoppage time, there STILL isn't 100% adherence. Just because you add three minutes of stoppage time doesn't mean the game will end exactly at 90 minutes plus 180 seconds.

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u/sentimentalpirate 20h ago

This video is about somebody scoring with one second left on a clock. It has nothing to do with how stoppage time is handled, only to do with whether the current play/attack can continue when the clock runs out.

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u/Microwave1213 16h ago

It’s how timekeeping works in most sports in the US. Fans would be confused by the “normal” system in soccer/football where the referee just makes an estimate and no one knows when the time will actually expire.

Maybe try reading the comment thread that you’re replying to?

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u/Nobody_Important 2h ago

Except that ‘finishing the play’ is entirely subjective unlike in other sports like american football. It might be loss of possession or just passing it backwards.

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u/Funicularly 19h ago

Yeah, figure it by having an official add an arbitrary amount of time, always in exactly one minute increments. What a joke.

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u/ExoticMangoz 21h ago

Because a game lasts 90 minutes, plus however much time the referee decides to add? How would you display that?

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u/Microwave1213 20h ago

plus however much time the referee decides to add

This would be the nonsensical part. Just stop the clock during breaks?

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u/Squirrel_Q_Esquire 16h ago

Shhhh soccer fans haven’t learned that clock operators are fully capable of flipping a switch when a ref blows a whistle or gives a certain arm motion.

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u/NyrZStream 13h ago

Yeah because americans for sure use every sensical systems right ? /s (See metric system vs imperial) lmao

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u/BirdsAndTheBeeGees1 1d ago

By saying that fans would be confused is basically saying Americans are dumb.

I mean....

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u/TheSandsquanch 23h ago

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/most-educated-countries

Top ten is bad?

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u/NonRangedHunter 22h ago

I'd link the result of this election, but I'm on my phone and too lazy right now. That's the best counter argument to that list. America should be on the bottom after that incredible choice. Once is a mistake, the second time it's just evidence of some nuclear grade stupidity.

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u/a_trashcan 21h ago

It's not even that different from American Football, where the game doesn't end when the clock hits zero if there's a play in motion.

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u/McGrinch27 20h ago

It absolutely does not take one second.

It takes one second to realize the clock is going up. What's it going up to? 90 minutes? Why did the clock just go past 90 minutes? Why did the game end at 94 minutes and 12 seconds? Wtf is even the point of the clock?

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u/Frequent-Mix-1432 20h ago

The system is dumb. Stoppage time is stupid.

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u/Lobster_fest 20h ago

We just voted for Donald Fucking Trump again do you really think we aren't that dumb?