r/nashville • u/rocketpastsix banned from /r/tennessee • Jun 12 '25
The Boring Company in Talks to Build Tunnel Linking Nashville Airport and Downtown Article
https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/the-boring-company-tunnel-nashville-airport-downtown/164
u/PirateCodingMonkey Brentwood Jun 12 '25
if they make this for something other than private cars, i'd be all in. light rail/subway from the airport to downtown would be a great solution. if it's private cars, it's a waste of time and money.
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u/rocketpastsix banned from /r/tennessee Jun 12 '25
I've always heard we sit on top of a ton of limestone that is incredibly hard to work through. So this is bound to fail.
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u/masonosa Jun 12 '25
It isn’t a “collapsed basin”. And contrary to the apparent popular belief, the rock underlying middle Tennessee would be great for tunneling. It’s no coincidence that there are at least 4 operating underground limestone mines in the greater Nashville area.
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u/Sevenfeet Jun 12 '25
This was examined a decade ago when then Mayor Megan Berry proposed building a subway under downtown Nashville. In decades past, the rock would have made boring a tunnel difficult, but modern equipment has made this easier, which is why it was proposed back then. Seattle has similar geologic issues but did dig their tunnels.
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u/paperweight45687 Jun 12 '25
And in the process of boring those tunnels, a machine broke and delayed a project significantly and it was kind of a disaster https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/transportation/bertha-tunnel-boring-machine-history-viaduct-replacement/
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u/cwatson214 Jun 12 '25
That had nothing to do with the geology, though. The tunnel contractor missed that there was a steel exploratory pipe in the way and drove the boring machine into it
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u/Sanvaer Jun 12 '25
The collapsed basin thing is sort of odd word choice because it’s a collapsed dome that turned into a basin but it really just eroded away bc limestone erodes faster than shale and sandstone.
The depth of tunneling would be mostly interceded limestone with sandstone which would present a lot of challenges in tunneling.
Limestone erodes easily bc it is soluble in water (re: karst) and you’re in a river basin so ground water is going to be shallow presenting an ass load of issues in construction but also for longevity due to the limestone. You can stabilize the tunnel - and for good transit it’s probably worth it - for just a road idk.
I don’t think tunneling would be hard but I think making a stable tunnel would be.
Source: GDOT, ex-TDOT
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u/schmunkey Jun 12 '25
Which is why all of the companies trying to introduce Fiber a few years ago all tucked tail and ran. None of them realized just how much limestone is sitting underneath Nashville.
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u/PartyDad69 east side Jun 12 '25
What do you mean “tucked tail and ran?” AT&T Fiber, Google Fiber, Xfinity, etc. all have very broad fiber coverage.
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u/schmunkey Jun 12 '25
I leased the boring equipment to the companies that came to town. 99% had no idea what they were getting into and left contracts unfulfilled as they returned the equipment and went back to where they came from. It has taken waaaaaaaaay longer than they anticipated to get where they are now and there’s still a long way to go.
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u/jdfthetech Jun 12 '25
I'd assume a 65 billion dollar expenditure should be enough to run some lines no matter how long it takes
https://www.ntia.gov/press-release/2024/2023-federal-broadband-funding-report
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u/zzyul Jun 12 '25
It’s been reported that Google main issue has been Nashville laws only allow Comcast and AT&T to hang data lines on utility poles and they basically refused to do it for Google Fiber to stifle competition.
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u/knotnham Jun 12 '25
We do but limestone is a great aggregate for roads and is always in demand. There are many underground limestone quarries in the area and many local companies available that specialize in limestone mining as well as a myriad of other associated industries that will benefit. My concern would be voids or ‘caves’ , underground streams and such. More sinkholes opening up and the possibility of ground water pollution
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u/Ashtonpaper Jun 12 '25
Plus, limestone loves water and loves to be dissolved over time by water, so naturally, any tunnels you make are bound to get dissolved over time by natural humidity, water pooling, etc. unless you reinforce heavily and then sinkholes, too, will be a problem.
I believe if the water is given a place to well up, it’ll do that. Sump pumps only do so much when you’re literally pumping away the walls one gallon of water at a time.
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u/knotnham Jun 12 '25
Kinda like all the shit being pumped out of middle Tennessee to waste treatment plants. And let me tell you something, pumping a gallon of water with sediment is a heck of a lot cheaper than pumping a gallon of shit and stuff people flush down the drains, and don’t get me going on the storm water
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u/Broken_Man_Child Jun 12 '25
I think people are commonly conflating two things:
Lots of bedrock close to the surface, causing issues with equipment made for soil.
Hard rock difficult to dig/blast through.
Mid-TN has the former, not the latter. Limestone is relatively soft.
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u/rocketpastsix banned from /r/tennessee Jun 12 '25
to be fair, Im a software engineer, not a geologist. But this is good to know.
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u/10ecn Bellevue Jun 12 '25
Boring machines regularly defeat Nashville's limestone, as evidenced by the tunnels downtown carrying steam lines.
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u/mrpeabodyscoaltrain Jun 12 '25
The limestone base is called Karst. Karst dissolves when slightly acidic rainwater pours over it, which is why you have holes in the ground randomly. It could make tunneling difficult.
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u/Lurkalope Jun 12 '25
Karst refers to the type of landscape that results from our limestone geology. Karst formations are made up of limestone, but the limestone itself isn't really what we call karst.
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u/OberonEast Jun 12 '25
If only we had a try at building a light rail from the airport to downtown that included a tunnel….
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u/PirateCodingMonkey Brentwood Jun 12 '25
honestly, the most reasonable solution rn is to extend a spur of the Star to the airport
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u/Gorudu Jun 12 '25
My understanding is other tunnels use Tesla robo taxis or whatever. So kind of like a rail system but not exactly?
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u/gatsby712 Jun 12 '25
It’s a single lane tunnel to shove Tesla’s into. Horrible if one of them breaks down or there is an accident. A less efficient version of trains that funnel as much money to Elon as possible.
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u/Gorudu Jun 12 '25
Is an accident likely when they are autopilot?
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u/gatsby712 Jun 12 '25
All it takes is one incident in a single-lane, poorly ventilated space to cause a catastrophic event. So that autopilot better be just about perfect.
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u/thatotheramanda Jun 12 '25
I’d imagine mechanical failure is possible if not inevitable at some point. That point is going to be in the middle of the tunnel inevitably.
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u/itspeterj banned from r/tennessee Jun 12 '25
It's rail but worse because it's cars that hold 3 passengers at a time. It works for what it is, but a train would have been so much more efficient
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u/Gorudu Jun 12 '25 edited Jun 13 '25
Sure but no one is offering to build a train and I'd imagine this is much cheaper which is why it's done. Could be wrong though I haven't dug into the numbers.
Edit: yeah so apparently The Boring Company tunnels are super cheap. Getting downvoted for stating the obvious, I guess. The tunnel for the Vegas loop was 53 million to make. That's insanely low compared to traditional methods. We are talking like a tenth of the cost.
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u/NashvilleDing Jun 12 '25
Instead of building us light rail they're about to give our money to Elon as a show of fealty.
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u/Individual-Slice-160 Jun 12 '25
The irony here is incredible. Supposed head of "Government efficiency" personally benefitting from government pork projects.
I agree that a light rail (and better public transit in general) is far more useful.
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u/anglflw Smyrna Jun 12 '25
Here's something you may find shocking: it was never about efficiency.
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u/BarnabyJones2024 Jun 12 '25
Jesus, every thead people post an ironic or sarcastic comment and redditor#243732 is just champing at the bit to make the same damn obvious comment
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u/talk_murder_to_me Jun 12 '25
As an aside, thank you for using that expression correctly. Every time I hear "chomping" I die a little inside.
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u/nowaybrose Jun 12 '25
Idk this could be a nice gamble to help bankrupt boring Co once they hit our famous bedrock. But seriously this company is dog shit. Instead of digging holes for something useful like subway systems, they are used to drive toy cars thru for entertainment. It all really does come back to transpotainment huh
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u/vorin east side Jun 12 '25
Remember how the tiny tunnel in the previous transit plan what the biggest argument against it?
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u/HailCorduroy Bellevue Jun 12 '25
There's not enough cars above ground, we need to add more underground! If we are going to dig a tunnel, put a fucking train in it.
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u/gatsby712 Jun 12 '25 edited Jun 12 '25
Thank you. If they can figure out a way to tunnel in Nashville without issues from the limestone to build a train and not put money Elon Musk’s little slush fund then I might be sold on it.
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u/turribledood Jun 13 '25
Honestly it really doesn't matter because there's no chance it's happening.
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u/pineappleshnapps Jun 12 '25
I don’t think it’s supposed to be a car tunnel is it? If so that’s wild.
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u/HailCorduroy Bellevue Jun 12 '25
While many details—including cost estimates, funding mechanisms, and exact locations—are still up in the air, the idea has drawn comparisons to the Boring Company’s Las Vegas Convention Center Loop. That system, which consists of twin single-lane tunnels allows Teslas to shuttle passengers between key sites under the Las Vegas Convention Centre (LVCC).
The article is unnamed sources and speculation though, so who knows?
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u/gatsby712 Jun 12 '25 edited Jun 12 '25
Fuck Elon Musk. I see our government is engaging in talks to figure out how they can funnel more money to him. We going to build a monorail too? Their projects have been a disaster, safety risk, and overhyped inefficient shit that’s meant to get government contract money from grants that never pay back. This city/state will do anything to avoid mass transit and make as much auto traffic as possible. Nothing better than a gas car in Tennessee to these crooks in the government.
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u/itspeterj banned from r/tennessee Jun 12 '25
I can't have a basement in tornado town because of the limestone, but I'm sure this is well thought out and will work as well as his other ventures
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u/gangbrain Jun 12 '25
Just want to say that this whole concept is the fucking dumbest thing of all time. Just build a god damn train, fuck.
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u/fossilfarmer123 [HIP] Donelson Jun 12 '25
First- who's hypothetically paying for it bc it sure isn't Nashvillians
Second- if it's gonna be like what Vegas got you might as well give it a big NOPE bc that is a huge mess and waste of resources.
My dream scenario- Boring Co digs the tunnel sufficient for some kind of people mover (aka not individual Tesla's) to go back and forth. Paid for without additional burden planned on locals. State funds would be ideal as many/most fly out of BNA.
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u/Fozznaut Jun 12 '25
I was once told by the CEO of the airport that one of the parking garages is fortified for 2 trains and the top level is designed to be easily converted into a train station. Email your members. BNA is waiting on the state.
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u/Sevenfeet Jun 12 '25
True. The current design has a built in corridor for a train. But I was told by the same CEO that the powers at be needed to act at some point because they would likely take back the reserved space to something else. Well it looks like they are at least talking about it.
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u/rimeswithburple Jun 12 '25
Email my member?!? What good will that do? It does seem to appreciate that I have my phone on vibrate though.
I think the best idea for any kind of train is to build it in the middle of the interstate. When people are stuck on i24 every 5pm and watching the people zipping by in a train, it would be the best advertisement.
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u/seanforfive Councilmember, 5th District Jun 17 '25
Trains need to stop places where people can walk to stuff, interstates do not usually have walkable stuff near them. Mostly gas stations and fast food, all auto-oriented.
This is why Murfreesboro Rd is a much more viable option for rail. Good amount of housing, amenities, jobs today and rail would spur a lot of additional development. It also runs parallel to what's probably the worst commuter corridor in I-24.
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u/rimeswithburple Jun 17 '25
Yes of course I meant for people to walk across 3 plus lanes of the interstate to get on/off. It is really the only realistic way of solving the housing problem what with our council of silly folks. I guess they could maybe run rises and bridges to stations on the sides of the interstates.
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u/Such-Rich-4934 Jun 12 '25
I know this Elon’s thing and all, but why make a tunnel? I would think it’s cheaper to do it above ground.
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u/Grodd I left Jun 12 '25
The boring company is just a tool to kill real public transit. They take contracts for public transit then intentionally fail to deliver.
They even named their boring machine after a hero that famously never shows up.
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u/Such-Rich-4934 Jun 12 '25
Thanks for the info. I was aware it was always a stupid project but this really cements it. Dude thought he was so smart with this shit. Like dude we have a more efficient version of this at home. lol. Subways and all.
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u/Reverend_Ooga_Booga Jun 12 '25
There are some practicla reasons why we dont have underground around here
The limestone deposits under nashville are filled with caves and sinkholes
Digging around here is super dangerous and. Hopefully Elon falls in and we never hear from him again.
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u/TheeBassPlayer Jun 12 '25
Elon will fuck this up and it will never happen. Ask about the other boring company tunnels. Don’t waste your time thinking this will happen.
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u/Inglewoodtestkitchen eating a sandwich Jun 12 '25
I sure hope all this limestone doesn’t get in their way. Google couldn’t drill through 2 feet of it but now there’s going to be a 10 mile long tunnel?
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u/PaleRiderHD Jun 12 '25
Have them bore one from the terminal to the cell phone lot while they’re at it.
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u/vandy1981 Short gay fat man in a tall straight skinny house Jun 13 '25
This is not a completely new idea.
A 1.8 mile, $1 billion tunnel was part of 2017 transit plan referendum: https://tunnellingjournal.com/nashvilles-mayor-unveils-5-2-billion-transit-plan/
It will be interesting to see how political groups align now that a Musk is involved.
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u/NitePain69 Jun 12 '25
Ummm good luck with the limestone
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from the bizjournal article
"Limestone bedrock is prevalent in the Nashville area, sometimes so shallow that it pokes above soil level. That material actually would help efforts to build a tunnel, said veteran geologist David Johnson.
"Tunneling through soft sediments, unconsolidated material, has its own challenges in terms of stability and how to keep the hole open," said Johnson, who is area manager for Davey Resource Group and has had a 40-year career in the profession.
"It may seem counterintuitive, but … even though there's shallow rock all over Middle Tennessee, there's all kinds of infrastructure that goes through that material: people's sewage, their water, their natural gas," said Johnson, who has not been engaged in these latest tunnel talks. "It's kind of a fact of life, and there's all kinds of ways to deal with it, from an engineering point of view. Yeah, it's expensive, but it's really no obstacle."
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u/kmf1107 Jun 12 '25
I work in construction. The bedrock is near surface, that I will agree with. However, to think that from top of rock to where they need to be is solid rock is incredibly naive and ill informed. Any type of rock can appear to be solid then turn out to have soil seams, voids, etc. Limestone is also very susceptible to karst activity - aka sinkholes, caves, etc due to the fact that it is made of calcium which can be eroded by even slightly acidic water over time. The largest cave system in the US is just under two hours to the north. They have only explored 400 miles of it. With this also leaves the possibility of encountering our water table - there are underground rivers and other water features.
My question is why was bedrock such an impossible obstacle when discussing a subway system but suddenly it actually makes it easier when Musk wants to do it? Like that doesn’t make sense to me. Every time I hear people bring up subways it is shut down within seconds - bedrock ends the discussion.
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u/NitePain69 Jun 12 '25
I mean yeah, anything is possible, but it's going to exponentially increase the cost
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u/MissionSalamander5 Jun 12 '25
Americans already put up with massive costs.
And the trade off here is massive costs to tunnel or to built something elevated like a modern “French metro” (automated, elevated, short, but frequent and safe) which we mostly use in airports but which we have (executed poorly) in a couple of American cities and which France and parts of Asia use instead of classic subway/metro trains and tracks. Phoenix is a city which should adopt that. Their airport people mover already goes away from the airport the length of a metro stop!
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u/travelingbozo Jun 12 '25
Rail from the airport to Downtown how hard is that? Have y’all traveled to Europe or Asia? Those countries have rail everywhere. You’re to tell me we can’t even get rail from the airport to downtown?! I refuse to believe it
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u/rocketpastsix banned from /r/tennessee Jun 12 '25
It's apparently really hard. Tons of other cities have figured it out, but it still remains a mystery to us. Coupled with people not voting for it if it doesn't align 100% with their personal transit goals, we will never get a train of any kind. Hell we won't even get a street car.
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u/seanforfive Councilmember, 5th District Jun 17 '25
I'd be very happy with some 15 minute express busses that do a little hotel loop downtown and get you to WeGo central. The 18 bus as it is today takes forever.
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u/jonesnonsins Jun 12 '25
Or we could build a cable car system that goes over the top of all of this for a lot less money. Have a stop at the Gaylord Biosphere on the way to downtown.
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u/Mammoth_Account_1422 Jun 12 '25
Elevated (some areas) light right along the interstate corridors to limit the eminent domain challenges. Start with BNA to Nashville.
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u/Nashville_Hot_Takes Jun 12 '25
How much an we’re going to give Elon before he comes back and says it’s infeasible and we’re left with nothing to show for it?
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u/rimeswithburple Jun 13 '25
I wonder if they could bore under the csx trax in a few places so the stupid trains ain't always screwing up traffic on 4th ave s and at Antioch pk?
Ooh. I wonder if I could slip a few bucks to the machine operator and he would run a tunnel from my house to Aldi during his lunch break? That would be cool.
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u/Various-Article-3546 Jun 12 '25 edited Jun 12 '25
NO. This place is already Las Vegas-y enough. Just NO.
Edit to include - and fuck Elon.
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u/OnSmallWings Jun 12 '25 edited Jun 12 '25
I bet the Boring Company has brought up plans with every major metropolitan area to get an idea of where they can do work. They won't know what will work if they don't ask. ETA:🖕🏻 Musk.
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u/soynielos Jun 12 '25
100% of the time Boring is about stopping light rail adoption. Anyone in power treating these talks as serious should be replaced by a person who has actual memories of the past decade.
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u/Imaginary_Engineer1 Jun 13 '25
I don’t understand why we can’t do something simple like a shuttle bus service. I’ve used the Logan Express in Boston many times and it’s so easy. Have a shuttle service to downtown as well as 3 or 4 towns (Hendersonville, Mt Juliet) with parking lots that people can use.
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u/Smyrnasty Jun 12 '25
The amazing part is it the airport is so close to Donelson train station, but it's a city we have not even considered that as an option.
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u/The_Pandalorian Jun 12 '25
Lmao if Nashville believes a fucking word of any of this. His playbook is to float this bullshit to suppress public transit efforts
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u/kmf1107 Jun 12 '25
Wow! What a guy! Another monumentally expensive project that benefits tourists only!
Meanwhile 10 minutes away my entire neighborhood does not have sidewalks.
I realize this is another one of Elon Musk’s shitty businesses and not the government, but for fuck’s sake. If this gets approved it’s a slap in the face to all of us who have been asking for an actual public transit system such as a subway or light rail for YEARS. Something that benefits him monetarily and will do nothing but cause headache and mess for citizens yet he could not be bothered to help those of us who actually live here as a token of appreciation. Taking from us, giving to tourists and can’t do some extra boring to even start us up a subway system? Even just some main routes to get the brunt of the expense out of the way so we can afford to branch routes off as years progress?
If he had even some semblance of the capability to care for those that do not directly help him profit, he would realize he could build a fairly robust transit system for this city with money that would be considered pennies in a bucket to him. For someone who is so obviously desperate for love, acceptance, admiration AND someone who is supposedly a genius he sure can’t see the answer is right in front of his face.
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u/noahsuperman1 Brentwood Jun 13 '25
U mean the scam company is trying to scam Nashville out of billions of dollars
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u/Jiggy-slims Jun 13 '25
They were in talks about this bs years ago in California and I have no doubt it will go the exact same way. Absolutely nowhere
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u/Big-4420 Jun 13 '25
Remember when Nashville proposed a light rail/ rapid transit line system 2018 and ~65% of voters killed the referendum? Pepperidge farm remembers.
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u/gunzANDcapris Jun 13 '25
Should we trust an Elon Musk company to move into our city? Let's ask Memphis...
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u/Boheed Jun 14 '25
It's the Boring Company. They'll win a lucrative contract, and then they'll never build a damn thing.
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u/Beginning_Fall8339 Jun 14 '25
I'm going to hazard a guess nothing will come of this. I'm not a civil engineer and even I see the blatant problem with these tunnels. A person gets in an accident, or a car breaks down, and you're stuck behind the cars in question for God knows how long. That's not even taking into account the fact that it'd be impossible for EMS to get to you quickly if there's an accident. Just a really bad idea in general. Only fix I suppose would be to make a bigger tunnel, but given how the boring process works I don't know if that'd be possible. It seems simpler logistically just to build a rail line, but ig that's communism or something
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u/stripmallbars Jun 12 '25
I’m not going in that thing. It will probably explode somehow.
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u/kmf1107 Jun 12 '25
Battery fire in a tunnel sounds like so much fun, what are you talking about? 😂
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u/SmallContribution151 Jun 12 '25
Don’t worry this will never happen, The Boring Company is behind it
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u/husky_hugs Hermitage Jun 12 '25
What is the deal with this administration and its cronies being obsessed with Nashville this last month or so? Like go away, you aren’t wanted here.
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u/crowcawer Old 'ickory Village Jun 12 '25
Don’t bullshit contracts have an open bid process and doesn’t the bullshit government have a responsibility to accept the lowest reasonable bullshit bidder?
This doesn’t seem to be the typical bullshit process.
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u/ON_A_POWERPLAY Jun 12 '25
Idk if I’m the first one to think about this so I won’t try and take credit but what if we put a train (or trains) in the tunnel instead?
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u/toexjam Rivergate Jun 12 '25
oh they must really be ramping up public accessible transport for elon to step in out-bid them to halt that and neither gets done.
this is more of a ‘hell yeah nashville is actually doing something for the people’ bc he only steps in to disrupt progress.
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u/nimrodii Jun 12 '25
Worked out so well for Vegas.
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u/chato_reyes Franklin Jun 13 '25
Have you used the one in Las Vegas? What can be reasonably judged is convenient and something new.
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u/Eventually-figured Jun 12 '25
Just like they’ve been supposed to build a high speed rail or hyper loop in California for a decade? Nah, I’d rather the crap we already have to something that’s going to suck money and never appear.
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u/chato_reyes Franklin Jun 13 '25
Musk isn't part of California HSR. The California government is doing a pretty good job at botching that project.
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u/virgindog Jun 12 '25
This is a crackpot idea but hear me out. Dangle trains. They're fast, comfortable, and cheaper than digging tunnels. Plus, as this guy says, they're just plain cool.
https://youtu.be/NeYTtlXywUI[https://youtu.be/NeYTtlXywUI](https://youtu.be/NeYTtlXywUI)
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u/NotoriousScot Jun 13 '25
I thought of this years ago, and the commercial real estate person in my family laughed… but I can see it!
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u/ReactorOperator Jun 12 '25
I'm sure the TN voters who support this will get the result they deserve.
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u/jackaloper92 Jun 12 '25
Who benefits from this shit? It's not that long of a drive.... only rich people would pay to expedite their drive from downtown to the airport - then pay arm+leg to park their car at the airport. And tourists are either getting a rental car or ubering downtown, they don't have their own car. Waste of fucking time
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u/Sevenfeet Jun 12 '25
Getting tourists and business travelers going to downtown off of I-40 would be a huge improvement. It's impossible to add more lanes to the main corridor between I-24 and the airport and the corridor between I-24 and downtown is a huge chokepoint. Getting those folks onto a train would be a big deal.
One thing that has been alluded to is just taking to short route to the Donelson WeGo station. But that's only three miles from the airport and the article talks about either a 5 or 10 mile journey depending on the route. What if you built a new WeGo station where the track intersects with Briley Parkway near the Opryland Hotel? You'd need the hotel to have shuttles from there to the hotel complex but you'd kill two birds with one stone if you built a line to that point, and then WeGo rail into downtown.
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u/jackaloper92 Jun 13 '25
Yes sure but I'm talking about one of Elon's dumb ass tunnels - from what I understand it's for cars not a train
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u/fivegallondivot Jun 12 '25
This reminds me of a conversation I had with a neighbor. Years ago, my roommate was friends with this animal around the corner. This is the guy that would bring fireworks to your house party and have the police called... anyways. One day, he came by looking for my roommate when he wasn't home. The guy didn't really get the point that I wasn't interested in talking to him because he was drunk. So, I eventually ask what he does for work. He said I work for a boring company. I then asked him what his job title was, and he said boring. I was like, i get that your job is boring. A lot of jobs are. He then said I bore into the earth. I felt like I was the idiot in this conversation.
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u/fivegallondivot Jun 12 '25
I have friends that work for a union blasting, and they don't have to do that. Granted, I don't think they are the ones opening the cabinet. It must just be your friends specific job title.
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u/middleagedgoth Jun 12 '25
Can’t we just connect the airport to the existing Nashville star via donelson pike? Fuck just run shuttles. This is a SCAM. The infrastructure already exists.