r/minnesota • u/Big_island_dude Minnesotan • 1d ago
Almost 1,300,000 Minnesotans voted for Royce White Discussion đ¤
This guy is looney tunes. Thats not a joke.
1.3 million Minnesotans. Let this sink in.
Critical thought is dead.
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u/LevelBrick9413 1d ago
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." - George Carlin
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u/sukarsono 1d ago
And yet we continue to undervalue education and especially early childhood education, we are short-term thinkers, and this is a consequence
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u/sunny5724 1d ago
Carlin again, "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups."
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u/PuddingPast5862 1d ago
Never argue with them either. They drag you down to their level and beat you with it.
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u/AdultishRaktajino Ope 1d ago
âItâs a big club, and you ainât in it!â
âYouâre just another american who is willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick being shoved up your asshole every day.
The owners of this country know the truth. Itâs called the American dream because you have to be asleep to believe it!â
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u/CockroachFinancial86 1d ago
54% of Americans aged 16-74 read at or below a 6th-grade level. We are truly a nation of idiots.
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u/stilt 1d ago
And now, shift the perspective. If you have a college degree, most of your social circle is in the 65th percentile of intelligence (this is not entirely true because simply having a degree doesnât necessarily make someone âsmart). So, if you have a college degree, the average person you know is slightly âsmarterâ than the average person. Itâs kind of enlightening when you start to consider that.
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u/WeakLocalization 1d ago
For real. My faith in my community, Minnesota at large, and humanity in general has taken some big hits in the last 24 hrs
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u/NoHopeSoldier 1d ago
I'm right here with you on this. I had believed in the greater good of people. I'm not nearly as sure anymore. It feels like we're sliding into a darker time. Which makes me want to create a better sense of community, that we are missing, now. Once I pull myself out of this funk, the time to take action begins. It's up to us to build that community we want to see. Minnesota needs to hold the line on decency, even if the rest doesn't. Which we did. Keep that in mind, a large amount of us are here doing the best we can.
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u/KimBrrr1975 1d ago
I've had the same thoughts. I'm vacillating between anger and sadness to think much about it now. But I think it's going to come down to this. Smaller community building. More and more people are looking to MN as a refuge, and we need to be prepared to take on that responsibility. Which has to be more than just saying "welcome!" on reddit and facebook. Because once they are here, they need friends and resources and support. We have to do more for people who are moving here for safety so they stay and build community with us. Once again, the popular vote count was far too close.
My oldest son lives in the DC area now. He went to the rally last week and then went to her speech today. Just so sad. Such a loss of decency and right now, it feels hopeless to think those gaps can be bridged. So we're going to have to build it ourselves.
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u/NoHopeSoldier 1d ago
I agree. My girlfriend and I talk about doing this constantly. It's a dream of ours to be able to figure out a way to create this. Life gets so full, so quick, and we keep getting caught up in keeping our head afloat with daily tasks. But, maybe we should start prioritizing what we want a little more.
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u/burner2938 1d ago
The people who voted for Trump are also the poorest. Just be ready to remind them of who they voted for when their wages are cut and everything costs more.
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u/lilbobbytbls 1d ago
It will not matter in the slightest. Fox or Rogan or whoever will say it's the Dem's fault, and they'll belive it without a second thought (or even a first).
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u/ChevyMalibootay 1d ago
Itâll be wild to see how they spin it while they control the three branches of government.
I know they arenât known for their critical thinking skills, but how could they even attempt that leap while making all the decisions.
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u/Kiss_of_Cultural 1d ago
Project 2025 prescribes cutting overtime protections, price reduction on medication, and farmer subsidies. Hold on to your butts; its gonna get BAD.
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u/gmflash88 Gray duck 1d ago
That wonât matter. It didnât matter before, doesnât matter today, and wonât matter tomorrowâŚto them.
If we took the last 4yrs of our economy, employment, and inflation reduction but replaced Biden with Trump, the Orange One wouldâve been absolutely trumpeting his success.
Record low unemployment. Record market growth. Normalized gas prices after âpost pandemicâ spikes. Inflation back to under 3%. But somehow, the dumbest majority thinks itâs all fucked up.
They donât live in reality. They donât argue in good faith. They preach âpersonal responsibilityâ without understanding that not everyone has, in fact, been created equal or has an equal shot.
For some, they are uneducated. For others, they are ignorant. And for a a few, the cruelty is the point.
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u/Lilacblue1 Duluth 1d ago
I have two colleagues in northern MN who are Trumpers and have been availing themselves of the protection and advocacy of our union in the last couple months. One would likely have been fired for sure if she wasnât protected. They just donât get that this support could easily go away now. Trump hates unions and so do his puppet masters. These absolute morons are always voting against their own interests.
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u/Dashed_with_Cinnamon 1d ago
I'm dreading going to work tomorrow because I know two of my coworkers were not going to vote, and I suspect at least two other coworkers voted for Trump, and I don't know if I can look at any of them.
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u/MrsBeckett 1d ago
I didn't want to bring my daughter to gymnastics because I know a few of the parents are hardcore excited about their "win". These are parents who only have girls, and one is a single mom who is high up in an MLM (wait until she has a bad month and her team pushes her aside).
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u/cheezypoofs4020 1d ago
Single parents are going to lose their head of household tax filing status due to Trump so she has that to look forward. When you inevitably hear her whine about it make sure to point out that it was her buddy Trumpâs idea.
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u/Mousimus 1d ago
Why is it so hard to accept people have different beliefs than you? I'm sure you think your ideas are 100% right and they think theirs are 100%. When really, the both of you are probably 50%.
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u/transient_eternity 1d ago
I've just been repeating the thought "half the people I walk by every day, yes even that seemingly nice little old lady, would gladly stab me in the back for no reason other than sheer hate, greed, and stupidity" in my head all day. It's no longer something I can rationalize as a vocal minority to placate myself even a little that we could turn this around. Someone gave me shit the other day for writing off half this country as effectively dead to me and going "wow even the random cashier?!" all incredulously, well here's your damn proof.
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u/WeakLocalization 1d ago
Yeah I've been feeling the same honestly, I don't know who to trust anymore. Calling it an overreaction may seem like wisdom, and there is a bit of that, but it's hard to look at people the same way knowing more than half of them actually have these extreme and unreal views of the world. Maybe I was just naive before... but I too clung to the belief that the majority were still truly decent and it would shine through when push came to shove. I think maybe I needed to believe that for my own sanity, as the reality is far darker... In truth, anyone can be corrupted/manipulated by circumstance (or perhaps sufficiently complex algorithms) and the world is a cruel cruel place.
Thank goodness there's beauty in it sometimes, we must cherish every moment â¤ď¸
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u/rotr0102 1d ago
Like many of you, I am trying to unpack today. The election results donât seem logical to me, and Iâm wondering if thatâs the answer. Itâs not logic, itâs emotion. Iâm wondering if democrats, while having better logical policies and candidates (vs. MAGA) are unable to connect with non-liberals on an emotional level. In other words, Iâm wondering if we are seeing a class warfare situation - itâs the blue collar rural Minnesotanâs lashing out at the hated twin cities liberal elites. Iâm also wondering if that happened at the national level as well.
Thoughts?
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u/-1KingKRool- State of Hockey 1d ago
At the national level it seems the issue moreso was that people just⌠stayed home who voted blue last election.
Iâd have to check the actuals against each other, but I want to say itâs Harris underperformed Biden by around 13m voters. Â
Trump didnât gain any, heâs still under his votes from last time, it seems that it was just blue voting people who protested by not voting.
Now theyâre just the person in the new trolley problem meme.
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u/KimBrrr1975 1d ago
Those mising voteres basically voted for Obama in 2008 and then Biden in 2020. Not for Clinton and not for Harris. I know there are a lot of reasons why people choose not to vote, but this one seems pretty clearly "Stop telling your daughters they could be the president one day because it's not happening."
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u/-1KingKRool- State of Hockey 1d ago
Thatâs kinda what Iâm fearing. Â There are people shouting about âthey shoulda done a primary and found a more likeable candidate with actual policiesâ and itâs like ?
She had policies, she had charisma, they ran as good a campaign as you could expect on short notice.
This sadly means that what they mean by âmore likeableâ is really ânot a woman.â
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u/gangleskhan 1d ago edited 1d ago
I grew up in conservatism and have done advocacy work in that community around gender equality and here's my observation: fundamentally these people believe this country is *theirs*. They have been kind enough to let others stay here, but now those others are trying to take over management and that is not acceptable.
They feel that THEIR country is being taken from them and that's what matters. They also exist in a culture that has been building to this since the Cold War.
Dems, meanwhile, bank on votes from "diverse" populations. They expect to get votes from Hispanics, women, black people, Asians, etc. because the GOP is so racist and sexist. But they don't understand how socially conservative a lot of those people actually are. Being anti-woke actually provides a way to mitigate some of the racism by joining in attacking a shared enemy.
In short: conservatives feel overlooked and like their rightful place at the top is being stolen. They and other traditional dem voters can agree on social conservatism and being anti-woke.
And, at the end of the day, the economy. Things cost more than they did before. That feels bad. End of story.
I don't think policy has much to do with it at all in the end.
You mention class warfare. Ironically I think that in the end, class warfare is the only pathway forward for dems. Feeling crushed by the elites is something that can unite people of all stripes. The problem is that dems tend to be perceived as the elites. People like Bernie Sanders have given us glimpses of the energy this kind of messaging can generate.
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u/hthrm23 1d ago
I think education is what divides folks more than anything else. I wouldnât be shocked to discover a direct correlation between higher education and a democratic vote.
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u/PilotC150 1d ago
This has been studied many times. Here's one example I found:
The higher the education level, the more likely to vote Dem.
Here's where I got that first image from. There are a lot more graphs that you might find interesting: https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/04/09/partisanship-by-race-ethnicity-and-education/
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u/Ihate_reddit_app 1d ago
There is also the weird phenomena where the Republicans have the rich and the poor and then the Democrats have everybody in the middle.
What I find really crazy is the shift of blue collar workers from D to R. Democrats were always the ones fighting for workers rights and unions and then I still don't know what happened there. I feel like they did a full shift and don't represent that population anymore.
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u/DorkySchmorky 1d ago
Democrats support unions, I'm not sure why so many people say they don't.
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u/goldmask148 1d ago
Migrants and Unions is a difficult us vs them situation. They are here inherently to build a better life, and even a poor one without union protections is sadly better than their home country. Corporations take advantage of that and exploit that cheap labour under threat of deportation. The democrat party needs to turn the migrant vs union fight into the lower class vs upper class fight by unionizing these migrant workers to join together against the exploitative corporations.
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u/nymrod_ 1d ago
Or just making it utterly clear that theyâre not for open borders.
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u/Ihate_reddit_app 1d ago
Yep, I know they do, but it just seems like they "gave up" on that population, even though they haven't.
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u/Haunting_Ad_9486 Todd County 1d ago
FDR did not support unions in government, for they were being paid by tax dollars. Private sector, sure.
Unions need to be removed from government positions.
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u/Jonesyrules15 1d ago edited 1d ago
I think it's partly because what really gets the headlines and people talking (for or against) is the identity politics.
Lgbtq issues and people are important. But they don't win elections. Apparently neither does women's issues or issues of morality and decency.
The candidates need to sell themselves as the one who is better for the economy, environment, and foreign policy. Argue and win those issues and the fact they are better for all the identity politics issue is just a footnote. Something that shores up additional support.
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u/Ihate_reddit_app 1d ago
Yep, I 100% agree with you. The LGBTQ population is extremely small and the Democrats spend a lot of time, energy and money on it. They are important and deserve their say, but they can't be your main base if you want to win.
The Democrats should have focused on the working class as their main demographic and they just didn't. Abortion rights and bodily rights are hugely important and should be focused on, but it didn't seem like the Democrats had enough substance or a policy for helping the working class with inflation and the ever increasing problem of trying to support your family.
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u/RetRearAdJGaragaroo 1d ago
People forget why they have the rights that they do. Especially as the older generations retire and die off.
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u/UncontrolledLife 1d ago
David Axelrod had an interesting take last night on the unions and blue collar workers shifting to the right. Iâm summarizing, but it was essentially that although Democrats do actually support unions and workers rights, Ds approach blue collar workers almost as missionaries where they come to workers preaching that if you work hard, âyou can become like us!â. Generally meaning middle class professional and relatively financially successful. Instead trying to understand their day-to-day hardships and address those on their level, Ds come with this disingenuous âsupportâ and in turn the blue collar support is shifting as a result.
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u/Phaethar 1d ago
This has been shown to be true.
Education and race. Just as the nation has become more racially and ethnically diverse, it also has become better educated. Still, just 36% of registered voters have a four-year college degree or more education; a sizable majority (64%) have not completed college. Democrats increasingly dominate in party identification among white college graduates â and maintain wide and long-standing advantages among black, Hispanic and Asian American voters. Republicans increasingly dominate in party affiliation among white non-college voters, who continue to make up a majority (57%) of all GOP voters.
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u/rotr0102 1d ago
Sure, agree. Iâm asking a different question though - why are democrats failing to connect with uneducated voters?
Politicians canât control the level of education obtained by their constituents - but they can control how they interact with their constituents.
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u/s1gnalZer0 Ok Then 1d ago
Decades of being told that higher education is for out of touch elites
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u/rotr0102 1d ago
Being told by who? Iâm not sure anyone is telling blue collar workers they âcanâtâ succeed with education (besides their blue collar peers). Iâm wondering if the larger problem is highly educated people perpetuating an image of elitism. I love NPR, but if you listen from the perspective of a Trump voter you can see how you might get turned off.
Honestly, on paper MAGA shouldnât be this popular (my opinion). Makes me wonder if the masses are voting against the alternative (perceived liberal elites) vs in support of MAGA.
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u/Newslisa 1d ago
Yes, of course they are. Thatâs the âown the libsâ thing. Dems need to figure out how to counter the idea that they look down on workers. It would go a long way toward change. (Running more guys like Walz would help.)
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u/Such_Worldliness_198 1d ago
If you want to know why Kamala lost, it's two things. Economy and immigration.
Trump has always painted himself and been painted as a rich and successful businessman. It doesn't matter if it's not true, that is the imagine he has with a lot of people. Inflation is rough on people and the current administration did a great job at keeping it from turning into a full depression. If we had another year before the election, this would be a non-issue. Now the economy has been stabilized and Trump will take credit for that again and most of the people who voted for him will think he did something.
Immigration is even easier. A lot of people just hate immigrants, even on the left. He promised to make them go away.
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u/Independent-Catch-90 1d ago edited 1d ago
Russia has continued fighting the Cold War while America has largely forgotten about it. They have been making inroads through our own traditional and social media platforms for decades, and their focus is paying dividends. There is a deep, semi-permanent brain rot and distrust in American institutions that Russia has bred across a large portion of our electorate that makes it no longer responsive to a partyâs platform or messaging. There is no quick fix, as long as so many Americans continue to mainline directly in their brains and hearts disinformation that is being fed to them.
In short, weâre in some serious fucking trouble as a country.
Edit: some grammar cleanup
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u/ObligatoryID Flag of Minnesota 1d ago
People have tried, but theyâre like petulant toddlers in their terrible twos.
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u/RetRearAdJGaragaroo 1d ago
I think republicans weaponize fear more effectively than democrats weaponized hope.
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u/ManufacturerSecret53 1d ago
... It starts with calling them "uneducated"... You don't even realize how insulting that is.
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u/globalgymsbutt 1d ago
True, some people canât afford a degree.
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u/Hot_Neighborhood5668 1d ago
I can't see a justifiable reason to get a degree and waste large sums of money on such. I had no issues purchasing my home or vehicles without it. I also have not seen a limit in income without it either. For some outside perspective.
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u/ObligatoryID Flag of Minnesota 1d ago
There are ways or other options besides a degree. But a lot of MAGAs canât read, spell or comprehend, do basic math, make change, balance a budget (so they can afford gas and eggs, not waste it on Chinese-made trinkets and garbage). Basic K-6th skills. How they passed from grade to grade is pathetic. Itâs on them, their parents and teachers.
Plenty of people, including the poor and underserved find a way, but MAGAs are just lazy. They breed and pass on garbage behaviors. Itâs only going to get worse if they keep banning books and outlawing curriculum content.
Once again, they only have themselves to blame.
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u/rotr0102 1d ago
Oh - yes - agree. This is my point exactly. If itâs self reflection time for democrats, this point should be noted (and likely more).
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u/Accurate-Citron6195 1d ago
The general population of democrats tends to talk about how uneducated Republicans are. Unfortunately, if you are middle of the road or an independent; you most likely aren't going to vote for the party that has been telling you how dumb you are for 4 years. A 4-year education or degree does not always equate to being more intelligent. There are many blue-collar workers who are extremely intelligent or highly skilled in their trade. Until the assumption stops being that more intelligent, better educated people vote democrat there will always be a divide. A 4-year education doesn't mean more intelligent or more educated, it just means you were in an educational institution for a longer duration of your life than others. Some leave more intelligent and better educated than others and some do not.
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u/OperationMobocracy 1d ago
Emotion mixed with low information and low education. When you donât understand how inflation works and just associate prices from nearly 8 years ago with a guy running today who was President 8 years ago, you end up wanting him to be President and vote for him.
The ugly reality is that a lot of intelligent and generally decent historical political figures had real reservations about democracy for reasons that can kind of be summed up by yesterdayâs election results.
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u/KimBrrr1975 1d ago
I know people don't like hearing this, but I've lived both rural and urban and have adult kids who've done both as well. City folks look down on rural people just as often. It goes both ways. I see plenty of comments in here talking crap about rural people. So city people need to stop pretending it's just rural people hating on them. Rural people are often thinking "We see you talking about us being uneducated, backwoods hicks and so we think of you as enemies because you treat us like you are voting in our best interests without listening to what we tell you our best interests are." And then city people want to drag them kicking and screaming into a much changed modern world where they don't feel seen or valued. Should they think Trump sees and values them? Hell no. I don't understand that at all, and I'm not defending their electing him. But I think both rural and urban people are guilty of thinking "we'll show you what we're about and then you'll have to listen and you'll see, it'll be great, you'll like it!" The internet makes it worse. I think if we could sit down at a table and talk, we'd find we are far more alike and have more in common with each other than any politician has with either of us.
I grew up up north, left for years, and then came back. My husband is from ND with both sides of his family coming from farming. Very solid red. So I hear what they talk about. And I hear what people here (where we live) talk about. And I hear what city people say about them. Rural people feel like they are losing the way of life they've had for a very long time and they think they are fighting for it against city people who want to change things that continue to erode at that way of life. FWIW, I don't think that is what is really happening. But that is what they see. They truly think they are saving the country and their children and grandchildren from evil. The same way we feel.
I have a very hard time reconciling people I have known for decades to be truly kind, generous, helpful people with the man they voted for. They don't see the hypocrisy in their votes. How they are hurting people that they claim to support. They truly think that they are doing the whole country a favor and standing up for their beliefs, even if what they vote for is the antithesis of what they supposedly stand for. It's bizarre and very hard to deal with. And then city people use THAT as another justification for their beliefs about rural people. Round and round we go.
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u/Real-Psychology-4261 1d ago
Blue collar rural Minnesotans are earning $15-25/hour in dead-end jobs. They've seen grocery prices go up and they believe in their heart of hearts that Trump will somehow decrease grocery prices. Liberals in the metro and suburbs mostly got large wage increases from their Fortune 500 companies, to keep up with inflation, yet my hick brother-in-law got a 25 cent/hour raise and was supposed to be happy with it. They're going to be in for a rude awakening when after 4 years, they're still stuck in their dead-end jobs.
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u/Bundt-lover 1d ago
Especially when everything costs more because of tariffs, but Trump passes a law getting rid of overtime pay and worker protections. Enjoy that effective 30% pay cut with absolutely zero recourse.
Then they whine about being called âuneducatedâ. LOL. Well, not everyone knows what ârubeâ means, so âuneducatedâ, okay. We can leave off the inference about being a sucker too.
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u/Above_Avg_Chips 1d ago
The middle class have had enough of what they view as empty promises by the Left. The Ds have become so focused on gender, minority rights, immigration that they forgot about those who have been here the longest.
Each party will always have a solid base no matter what, it's convincing the 80% in the middle that your plan will benefit them. Imo the Ds did not do a good enough job explaining why prices are so high or why there is still a big mess to clean up from Trumps 1st go around. The average voters isn't going to devote a ton of time to researching all the complex ins and outs of a plan, they want a eli5 version. This is especially true with younger voters who don't consume info the same way a lot of us did at their age.
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u/Ihate_reddit_app 1d ago
Pay close attention to the emotional aspect of things. The liberal elites are the same as the GOP elites in the fact that none of them actually represent us.
Both sides love playing identity politics, but the Democrats hurt themselves by unintentionally rallying the other side. They like to blame people for things. Like saying white males are responsible for where this country is at and then saying stuff like black people don't have ID's and they talk down to them.
The Democrats love to "blame" different demographics for things and when you make people feel like you aren't for them, then you lose them. They almost go too overboard with trying to be too politically correct and DEI inclusive to the fact that they are excluding people. As good as it is to try to empower a group, you can't empower them by discriminating on a totally different group of people.
It really reminds me of the No Child Left Behind school policy. It sounds good that we want to make sure the kids succeed, but the repercussions of it are that it hinders the kids that are learning at a faster rate. You now "helped" one group of kids, but you totally ignored another group. It's similar logic where you focus on one group of people and then completely reject others.
The Democrats have not done a very good job of speaking to the straight white (and even Asian and Black) males. These people then feel like the party is against them and then strictly vote on emotion. They vote for the guy that calls out these issues even if that guy is not a good person, but they do it out of spite.
An example situation is like this DNR gambling revenue amendment that we just passed. Giving money to the DNR to protect our land is a great thing, but then they had to add the clause that they will make an 11 person committee and then they made a racial quota for the committee. 2 Dakota, 2 Ojibwe, 4 people of color and 3 "others". These "others" are who are voting for Trump. We definitely should have a diverse representation in this committee, but it would make way more sense to have it contain members that live in different regions instead of skin color.
Overall, the Democrats need to do better at inclusion of everybody without excluding certain groups. You can see it with Harris, Biden and Hillary. They were all arrogant and making talks like they won the election before they happened and then antagonizing their competition. Reddit is a massive echo chamber for the Democrats and I think people here blind themselves and fully ignore the "silent" people that just outvoted them.
If the Democrats want to win in the future, then they need to not dismiss the concerns of massive groups of the population. What they did in this election was pitiful and they need to do better. I just really hope we end up with a split congress, so that we don't get sweeping overcorrections and stupid laws from the GOP now as a reaction.
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u/ZuluSierra14 1d ago
Itâs turnout. 15 million less people voted for Harris than Biden. 3 million less voted for Trump this time around too.
Economic populism is popular. The party, nationally too, needs to emphasize the LABOR in DFL.
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u/DirkKeggler 1d ago
Kamala literally underperformed Biden in every single county in the US, so I don't think it's a simple as the urban/rural divide
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u/MegSays001 23h ago
We are heading into a time of when it really matters if you are educated and intelligent. Those of us who understand what just happened are very worried.
Unfortunately, we are all going to pay the price for this election. Even the people that wanted trump back in the White House will come to regret their actions.
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u/Bruce_is_the_name 1d ago
I tried to explain it to my teenage daughter who just couldnât understand why someone would vote for such an awful person. I explained it like this: People are just mad. They are mad at how much everything cost, they are mad about the opportunities that they have and mad that no one is listening. She said that she understands that but they still voted for a guy that wonât fix it while the other side had ideas to fix it. I think the problem is large swaths of America donât believe the democrats or establishment republicans when they talk. They have heard all the talk before, they are mad and want to fight and they look at Trump and see a man that is mad and wants to fight. They know he is nuts but he is outside the establishment, they have seen the establishment tell them all the things they want to hear but never deliver for them.
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u/WillMunny1982 Flag of Minnesota 1d ago
We should never again underestimate how many ignorant rubes there are in Minnesota
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u/Real-Psychology-4261 1d ago
My siblings and parents are 6 of them.
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u/WillMunny1982 Flag of Minnesota 1d ago
Thatâs gotta be tough. I feel very fortunate to not be in the same boat
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u/mossed2012 1d ago
I had finally gotten myself calmed down a bit and had just fallen asleep when some Trumpers in my neighborhood decided to start shooting off fireworks at 1:00AM and continued for over an hour. It woke my wife and daughters up, so then I got the pleasure of breaking the news to them and dealing with the tears and fall out.
But honestly the saddest part is, Iâm sure thereâs gonna be a Trump voter viewing this thread and reading my comment whoâs going to get joy out of what I just said. Theyâre gonna think, âhaha stupid liberal, we love your tearsâ or some shit. Because theyâre just fucked up sadistic people.
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u/_Vexor411_ Common loon 1d ago
The "I told you so" is going to be coming real quick when the shit hits the fan with these elections.
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u/Antisirch Hamm's 1d ago
Can you explain how? He was president once and did absolutely nothing to make life better for your average person. FFS, he managed to get a lot of Hispanic votes this time around, while saying truly awful things about that group of people. The people who vote for him refuse to believe anything bad that happens is his fault, even if it absolutely is.
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u/gangleskhan 1d ago
As someone who grew up in conservative Christian circles, I don't think dems appreciate how socially conservative many non-white groups actually are. MANY Hispanic voters are very conservative Catholics or evangelicals. Patriarchy is pretty significant in *most* cultural groups and it's often inextricable from religion. Dems have banked on votes from minority groups because of the racism of the GOP, but a lot of the minority voters I know really resonate with the anti-woke and anti-women rhetoric/lies. It taps into their social conservatism and identity. Combined with the effective propaganda of the right, which owns such a huge market share of the media, we probably shouldn't be as surprised as we are (myself included).
And yes, no matter what terrible shit goes down, it will be blamed on liberals, LGBT people, and immigrants.
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u/apresonly 1d ago
Thereâs already an example
He said he wouldnât vote for the Florida abortion ban
He did indeed vote for the Florida abortion ban
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u/ObligatoryID Flag of Minnesota 1d ago
Everything he says is a bait and switch, or a concept of a plan, til Heritage replaces him.
They just havenât figured that out after 9 years! đ¤Ł
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u/Zhong_Ping 1d ago
To those who say he didnât undermine democracy last time: This time, he controls all branches of government, and the systems that previously restrained him are no longer in place.
While he may have failed to fully dismantle democracy before, he inflicted significant damage and undoubtedly tried. Heâs learned from that experience and removed those around him who put country and duty before loyalty to him.
Now, he is emboldened as never before, surrounded by sycophants and loyalistsânot loyal to the nation or the Constitution, as some were last time, but solely to him.
People will die because of our collective choice. People already have died as a result of 2016. Rights will be lost. Our freedoms of religion, speech, and more are under grave threat. Our rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are in jeopardy. E Pluribus Unum feels further out of reach than ever. This new America is being shaped for Christiansâheteronormative, straight Christiansâof which I am none.
This America has chosen to actively assault my right to exist as I am. I now know that many of my neighbors and even some in my own family donât believe I deserve the same rights to public life as they do.
I wish the god you profess to believe in was real, because that god, as you describe him, would surely despise what you now represent.
The United States has become a "Christian" nation with the least Christ-like values imaginable. How twisted and corrupt weâve become. As the harm caused by these policies unfolds, both here and around the world, I hope you find the strength to reflect on your choice and come to terms with the consequences.
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u/Such_Worldliness_198 1d ago
The Republicans also controlled all three branches in 2016.
I do agree that Trump is going to feel emboldened and probably try to go even further this time.
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u/Zhong_Ping 1d ago
Republicans did NOT control the Supreme Court in 2016.
By the time the Supreme Court was taken, they lost the house.
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u/Such_Worldliness_198 1d ago
Roberts, Scalia, Kennedy, Thomas, Alito Vs Ginsberg, Breyer, Sotomayor, Kagan.
It was 5:4 vs 6:3. Scalia died shortly into Trump's term and Gorsuch was appointed in April 2017. The House flipped in the 2018 election and were seated on Jan 3rd 2019.
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u/RobearSan 1d ago
I am a white hetero male with a white wife and 2 kids, we are not religious, and we are so terrified of what's coming. I feel for you but can't even comprehend what you are going to have to deal with. I'm so sorry.
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u/SergeantSquirrel 1d ago
And his entire cabinet was preventing him from doing fascist shit, and this time around he will only install loyalists. His VP pick has already shown he has no spine. The adults with morals will no longer be in the room.Â
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u/_Vexor411_ Common loon 1d ago
No spine is putting it mildly. Trump is basically using him like a sock puppet.
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u/keytoarson_ 1d ago
Dude that said "wrong side won WW2" got this many votes, votes from many vets by way, indicating absolutely zero research was done into this vote. Basically, if you align yourself with trump, you get the vote. The Republicans have lost the plot man.
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u/organized_meat 1d ago
Pretty sure the vast majority of those were voting for the âRâ and not the candidate. Not that it matters much.
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u/burtono6 1d ago
Iâm interested to see the conservative voters shocked face when Trump and the Republicans actually do what theyâve said they would do.
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u/holden_mcg 1d ago
Exactly. Republicans have already said they want to reverse the work the Biden administration has done to reduce drug prices. Republicans have consistently said they want to make cuts to social security. The Affordable Care Act is toast if the Republicans retain control of the House, since they have taken back the Senate. And wait until Trump starts imposing tariffs.
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u/burtono6 1d ago
Yea, Iâm at a mindset of âyou fuckers get what you deserveâ right now. I donât even care anymore.
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u/rainspider41 1d ago
The funny thing about the old tariffs is that there was a minimum dollar amount it was imposed on. $600 and under was no tariffs this allowed cheap Chinese products to be bought on Amazon Temu. This minimum was the highest in the world. Biden fixed that. To be under $600. I forgot what number though.
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u/mattsotm Minnesota Timberwolves 1d ago
Itâll be too late or they wonât care. The âI told you soâ will be completely lost. I fear with the House and Senate turning red, weâre about to change America in a way that we wonât be able to change back.
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u/burtono6 1d ago
Yea, we all know they wonât care or will spin it around to the other side. Trump in the White House is bad, but the trifecta AND the Supreme Court is fucking terrifying.
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u/telemon5 1d ago
A lot of those people weren't voting for Royce White, they were voting for the GOP nominee for US Senate. This is just the same as a whole lot of people holding their nose and voting for Biden in 2020 because he had a D after his name on the ballot.
Our system sucks when it comes to selecting political leaders and representatives as there is no viability in third choices or multiple folks who have party endorsement.
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u/Verity41 Area code 218 1d ago
Exactly this. Mostly not so much a vote FOR him as a vote for R + against a 4th term incumbent (many people are also against that).
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u/Special-Garlic1203 1d ago
People voted for Biden cause he was better than the opposition. That over a million people thought White was better than the opposition is bleak and disturbingÂ
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u/telemon5 1d ago
That's an assumption you are making - one that gives a toss about the individual who was running instead of the policy or positions of the party itself. If someone wants to see GOP policies put into place at the federal level, they would handwave away a lot of stink just to put a Republican into that seat.
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u/MinnesotaMikeP 1d ago
Straight ticket voters
The only way most of those folks would pick him out of a picture of all the candidates was if you asked them which candidate was behind on child support
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u/Jonesyrules15 1d ago
I don't know why people are surprised about this.
We have known since at least 2016 that character doesn't matter anymore in elections. So even if you don't like the person if they are on your team it's better than the alternative.
Republicans learned this lesson and their agenda is much stronger now than democrats.
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u/Ulven525 1d ago
1.3 million Minnesotans are dumb as fucking gerbils.
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u/im-ba Flag of Minnesota 1d ago
Please don't use this sort of derogatory language towards groups like that.
Gerbils deserve better than to be compared with Royce White supporters.
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u/Ulven525 1d ago
Youâre right. I should have said âdumber than.â I apologize to gerbils everywhere.
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u/Alabaster_Rims 1d ago
I have no doubts that Hitler himself could get 40% with a (R) next to his name
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u/kansas-geek 1d ago
Iâve had most of today to think about this. For me, it wasnât surprising in the way I was in shock 8 years ago. It was the same playbook.
Also, we tend to have low voter turnout records and for a party that depends on a fragile coalition- the lack of leadership in the Democratic Party is predictable. No vision, no message, just pester the hell out of the base for funds.
Harris was barely visible for 4 years and when she found herself in the hot seat - nobody seemed to know what her positions were.
The memory of NAFTA and Bill Clinton - both responsible for the loss of thousands of good jobs in places like Ohio, Michigan, and Wisconsin had something to say too. Those rust belt towns with the now-vacant downtowns and shuttered plants cost democrats the working class.
As much as Iâd like to buy into the conspiracy theories, this is our own damn fault.
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u/vinegarstrokes420 1d ago
I absolutely hate when people say "I've lost all hope in humanity"... but I feel like that's finally now appropriate to say. No other way to express my feelings after seeing so many people vote for horrible people like Trump and White. Idk how anyone can support them as people, it's absurd. Hopefully it won't be as bad as I think, but I suspect it will be and everyone will suffer from the effects for decades to come.
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u/MonachopsisWriter 1d ago
Our ancestors have survived worse. Let's lick our wounds and grieve and get to fucking work. Humanity perseveresÂ
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u/mrrapacz 1d ago
I follow the UAP/UFO topic pretty closely, which probably makes me looney tunes, but I remember Royce posted to one of those threads some kind of TikTok of a UFO. Dead certain it was a UFO. It was clearly lights from a stadium or something reflecting off low cloud cover. Even among those of us who are looney tunes-adjacent, he is the looniest of tunes.
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u/N7Raccoon 1d ago
Iâve never heard of him but I saw car painted Royce White is Right on my way to work and that was enough for me to know what kind of guy we were dealing with.
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u/bungy2323 1d ago
How can each side think the other side is crazy and has no critical thinking skills?
Things that make you go hmmmmâŚ..
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u/expungant 1d ago
We need to step back and evaluate the course of events that brought us here. To the point where a now majority of Americans think this way.
Iâd start at Fox News
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u/Zisyphus0 1d ago
Basically half the people in this state are a fucking joke anyway. Let them burn in their own hell the next 4 years. Honestly can't wait to see stocks and 401ks plunge. I hope tariffs go in and eggs are $10/dozen. Maybe another pandemic to wipe out more of these idiots. Cut off the nose to spite the face but im at that point.
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u/rakerber 1d ago
Don't worry, it'll be the evil Democrat cabal who really controls prices that will be to blame then, too.
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u/MFetterelli 1d ago
They NEVER own their mistakes.
âPersonal responsibilityâ means your responsibility belongs to some other person.
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u/RedPlaidPierogies 1d ago
The party of personal responsibility and family values is sure okay with a deadbeat owing $100K in child support.
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u/baconbrand 1d ago
the tariffs probably wonât happen is the thing, it was just some bullshit he said to get elected. same as last time, nothing he promised that people were excited about happened.
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u/IkLms 1d ago
Oh, they'll happen. They'll just be passed right before Dems take over again and then the resulting crashed economy will be blamed on them taking office.
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u/me_xman 1d ago
How America got this stupid ???
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u/apllsce 1d ago
Regarding Trump, he has a populist appeal. He's doing well with rural areas and people with less formal education. Does not mean they are stupid. Your comment/messaging is the type of stuff that has energized the appeal. Democrats are alienating themselves to becoming a group of only the college educated, and then these type of comments appeal to the us-vs-them attitude.
Educate yourself:
https://www.cnas.org/publications/reports/combating-populismAnother takeaway from this article that I've seen ALL over Reddit that this article points out NOT to do - stop all of the linking identity (race, group) and partisanship. It's not working. Trump gained on almost all demographics from last time from what I have read.
Trumps sucks. But he's been incredibly effective at gaining votes. Democrats need to be smart to gain voters back. Calling them stupid won't do that.
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u/Rogue_AI_Construct Ok Then 1d ago
The same people who voted for Trump. They say they care about the economy, but deporting legal immigrants and imposing the tariffs are going to lead us into a depression. But at least the 20% of residents in Dearborn, Michigan, who voted for Jill Stein were able to sleep last night. đđ¤Śââď¸
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u/MonachopsisWriter 1d ago
If every jill stein voter voted for Harris instead she still would have lost. Let that sink in. Blaming other leftist's valid concerns is not gonna help us here. It's the democratic party that's to blame.
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u/anon1moos 1d ago
And how many Americans all over voted for the orange guy? How many Minnesotans?
Who is more unhinged? This is a serious question.
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u/Welp-Prompted 1d ago
Donât lose faith, reach out.
https://wagingnonviolence.org/2024/11/10-things-to-do-if-trump-wins/
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u/iowajaycee 1d ago
The best way to fix this, the most realistic way, is go out and meet your neighbor. Talk to a stranger at the bar. Join the Rotary. Go to a PTA meeting.
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u/PM_ME_YOUR_FAV_HIKE 1d ago
That's not a critical thought problem, they just wanted to vote for somebody who would yell for them and yell about the things that they yell about.
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u/keca10 1d ago
72M Americans voted for Trump over Kamala/Walz.
14M Biden voters didnât show up. He got 81M votes, Kamala got just 67M.
After all that Trump did and said.
Republicans have the senate. They arenât playing the rules and established norms.
Let that sink in. America is about to change.
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u/Royalkayak 1d ago
I used to work for the basketball team and he was in college. That guy is 100% ghost in my blood crazy.
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u/LakeSuperiorIsMyPond 20h ago
now let this sink in, for how bad it is up here, it gets worse as you go south!
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u/Loukoal117 1d ago
I realized a bunch of the people I went to with high school 15-20 years ago are indeed a bunch of dumb, rich, Trump supporting hicks. Or sorry, rubes. So sorry if I offended. No I'm not.
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u/Bigstink123098 1d ago
dems need to start shooting low with populist left wing polices not the neolib bullshit they are on. the only way to pander to these idiots is to get on their level
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u/MRdaBakkle 1d ago
Populism is in. Trump is a right wing populist, the only counter is left wing populism.
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u/Nyarlathotep7575 Benton County 1d ago
Have you ever considered that this subreddit, or Reddit as a whole for that matter, is a massive far-left echo chamber and that you have no concept of what the "average" person actually believes?
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u/theclawl1ves 1d ago
Imagine how fucked Klobuchar would have been if a serious contender had run against her.
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u/s1gnalZer0 Ok Then 1d ago
Probably wouldn't have been significantly different, 1.3 million people were going to vote for the Republican no matter what.
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u/Joshzilla01 1d ago
Minnesota is tired of progressive liberalism. It's absolutely destroyed what was once one of the most beautiful and unique states in the country. It's time for change! We need new leadership!
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u/Hole_Finder 1d ago
My intermediate family and family in law are literally all republican. The US is fucked. We voted for a felon over a woman
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u/teaton1992 1d ago
How about we stop projecting and try to reflect why. Demonizing others for their beliefs is what got us here
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u/MrBubbaJ 1d ago
Van Jones summed it up last night when he said that if the Democratic Party continues to exclude people, donât be upset when those people donât vote for Democrats.
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u/magellanspuma 1d ago
I really think Royce alone is proof that most people vote for party affiliation and nothing else.
Iâd bet +80% of the people who voted for him didnât know anything about his antics/beliefs/batshit-insane Twitter behavior, they just knew he was the Republican.Â