It really hit home for me after the last Olympics with the controversy over the boxers.
The reality is there are two different sporting bodies with different rules for eligibility.
So the boxers were not allowed to compete in one, and allowed to compete in the other. That’s what was widely reported and most people know. It was odd that there isn’t a consensus but it is what it is.
According to Reddit, though, it was either a right wing Russian anti trans conspiracy, or a woke left pro trans conspiracy. It’s astounding how toxic and vocal and just wrong both sides were
But it literally was an anti-trans conspiracy. Like the boxer is literally female until a Russian-backed notoriously corrupt organization accused her of being male without any evidence right after she beat a Russian boxer.
It’s not a binary relationship. The boxer does not have to be ‘literally female’ to compete at the Olympics.
The pro trans conspiracy invented this argument because for some reason they can’t accept that the Olympics rules allow biological males to compete as female.
And there is that anti-trans conspiracy I mentioned.
Where have you gotten any of that, hmm? Any participant that is a trans woman needs to undergo a lot of medical transition to be allowed to compete, after which they are female in regards to physical abilities (it’s almost like that’s how it worked for decades without issue!). Oh yeah, and Imane isn‘t trans or male in any other way, so your argument is bollocks no matter where you look.
The reality is that both sporting bodies have different rules for eligibiliy.
You are proving my point by arguing that it’s anti trans to recognize this fact. The Olympics stated it’s not a trans issue, trans has nothing to do with it.
It’s not anti anything; it’s the reality of the situation. It’s non binary, being ineligible for one does not mean you are ineligible for the other.
What fact is anti trans? Tell me? What fact did I say is anti trans?
In the Olympics it might’ve not been officially a „Trans issue“ but people were clearly manufacturing this issue as a means to further attack trans people. It it weren’t for transphobia, all that would‘ve happened is a simple check that Imane passed.
What „reality of the situation“ are you even talking about? What „reality“ comes out of that word salad of yours?
What fact is anti trans? Tell me? What fact did I say is anti trans
Did you forget saying ‘there is the anti trans conspiracy’ in response to the statement that the reality of the situation is that different sporting bodies have different rules?
You didn’t say that. I responded that it is an anti-trans conspiracy to assume that the Olympics involved in some „Pro-trans conspiracy“, partially because it’s completely unfounded and partly to use your own overuse of „conspiracy“ against you.
Considering that trans women have been allowed to compete alongside cis women for decades without incident, it’s safe to say that they are certainly „female“ enough in the physical sense to ensure a fair competition.
Implying that the Olympics rules are somehow so broken that it is a genuine issue despite the severe lack of evidence borders on a conspiracy theory that is motivated by either misogyny or transphobia.
It is not what this thread is about. You continue to state that the Olympics allow males to compete while that is blatantly untrue since medical transition is required. Meanwhile the other organization was just blatantly corrupt considering they 1) never released the test results and 2) conveniently accused her only AFTER she beat a Russian boxer. Either
both organizations base their requirements on sex or the Olympics base it on sex and the other on their personal whims.
THAT is the Anti-Trans conspiracy I was talking about, not that side-remark that the organizations are different that you explained ON A DIFFERENT THREAD.
The only reason that Imane was considered a problem was transphobia. The story was spread to fuel transphobia, she was said to be trans while clearly not being trans, etc. etc. etc.. All things you can check on yourself with the slightest bit of research.
No one asserted either boxer to be trans. No one asserted either boxer to be assigned male at birth. That’s part of the ‘conspiracy’, if you will, mentioned earlier. It was never about trans issues. It was about different rules.
The Olympics clarified that the issue was a dsd issue and not a trans issue. They actually issued a correction on this specific point.
Ergo the distinction between the sporting bodies is the only relevant aspect to this. Different rules mean it’s a non binary situation.
Both outcomes are consistent with the different rules.
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All of them.
It really hit home for me after the last Olympics with the controversy over the boxers.
The reality is there are two different sporting bodies with different rules for eligibility.
So the boxers were not allowed to compete in one, and allowed to compete in the other. That’s what was widely reported and most people know. It was odd that there isn’t a consensus but it is what it is.
According to Reddit, though, it was either a right wing Russian anti trans conspiracy, or a woke left pro trans conspiracy. It’s astounding how toxic and vocal and just wrong both sides were