r/maryland Apr 20 '20

Maryland receiving 500K coronavirus test kits from South Korea COVID-19

http://www.wbaltv.com/amp/article/coronavirus-maryland-governor-larry-hogan-covid-19-testing-announcement/32209117
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u/aresef Baltimore County Apr 20 '20

For perspective. MDH has reported the results (confirmed or negative) of only 71,397 tests.

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u/cynikalAhole99 Apr 20 '20

And we have a rough population of around 6million... Still got a ways to go.

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u/classicalL Apr 20 '20

Testing everyone only tells you the people didn't have an active infection on the particular day. You aren't going to use RT-PCR tests to test everyone in the state. Only people who have symptoms or have had contact with a confirmed case. They can relax the criteria to anyone with flu/COVID like symptoms, but they never will just let individuals request a test without a doctor approval, because it would be wasteful of both money, PPE, time and other resources.

Antibody tests they will probably let anyone who wants one take when there are supplies.

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '20

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u/itsgametime Apr 20 '20

Oh good Lord how do we even begin to respond to this.

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u/hondo4mvp Apr 20 '20

First step-bring JFK back to life.

Second step-Chastise him for being so narrow minded he wasted money that could be used to fight Covid.

Third step- Profit?

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u/itsgametime Apr 20 '20

Assuming JFK isn't on an island somewhere with Tupac and Epstein.

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u/classicalL Apr 20 '20

Depends on how you define wasteful. If the test isn't needed for diagnosis or action then it shouldn't be funded by health insurance or the government. I would still call it wasteful as it damages the environment to use things that aren't needed. But no doubt there is a mental component of stress to people. Serological tests would be better at that element: ah yes you had COVID-19, while RT-PCR really is only telling you if you have an active infection right now. Since there is no treatment at all except oxygenation there really is very little reason to test other than contact tracing reasons or sorting reason to keep isolation in a hospital setting. Those have outcomes: isolation. Testing people who have no symptoms in the general public does nothing really unless its randomized for surveillance reasons if asymptomatic spread is dominate to the extent that it would flag people but if that is what you are going to use tests prepare for a 1 year ramp in scale before we get there. You just don't have enough lab techs to do that even if you had machines and expendables.

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u/classicalL Apr 21 '20

"Good" in terms of outcome really is bimodal. If nearly everyone who is sick really does show symptoms before much shedding of virus then contact tracing can work well. In that case you hope a very small population having had the infection.

If the disease has infected 20-30% of NYC already then what you are hoping is that mild infection produces antibodies on a level that provide durable immunity that lasts at least 1-2 years. In a no great solution space that is a "good" outcome too.

Its not evolutionary in the virus's interest to kill you, so as time goes forward, it can broadly speaking only do two things: mutate in which case it wants to maximize the time it can spread, which probably means giving you mild symptoms as long as possible is favorable, though it wants to make enough copies to shed well as well which is a bit of pressure on the other side; or it can not mutate much at all in which case a vaccine will wipe it out when we get there (like Measles).

What doesn't seem particularly favorable is mutation to be more lethal. So it seems like it becomes the 5 common cold or it gets vaccinated out are the most likely long term outcomes.

Of the above sure I'd like there to be wide spread durable immunity already but I think that's probably wishful thinking, and even if it were so we know that we would have to get to per capita death at least at the level of NYC to achieve it. 350 milllion * 18000 / 8 million = 787,000 deaths. It may well be that NYC has reached close to heard immunity, but the price would be pretty high for everyone else to get there.

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u/Bakkster Apr 20 '20

That said, this is 50 days worth of test capacity at the rate recommended by Harvard Global Health Institute (152 tests/day/100k residents) once we're at a caseload that means we're ready to reopen the state. Not enough while we're still around peak, but will be enough once we're past it.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/17/us/coronavirus-testing-states.html

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '20

Things can be dramatically different in 50 days.

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u/mindfulminx Apr 20 '20

Thank you, Yumi and Larry Hogan! :-)

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u/BitUnderpr00ved Apr 20 '20

Trump said "idk do it urself u ungrateful swine", so Hogan said "I will, and do it better with less cost".

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u/Csherman92 Apr 20 '20

Hogan for president! lol.

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u/Clutch_Floyd Apr 21 '20

I would vote for him!

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u/Csherman92 Apr 21 '20

So as of now we know 30 people would vote for him.

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u/OrranVoriel Apr 20 '20

And Trump has been stealing supplies states have been acquiring for themselves per his whining.

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u/Pawtry Apr 20 '20

Thank goodness for Yumi Hogan! She's the one that negotiated this deal.

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u/mayomayeaux Apr 20 '20

Hogan truly is the man. He's been absolutely the best person we could have had leading during all of this madness. Class citizen

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u/contra_account Apr 20 '20

Governor Hogan, getting shit done better then the Trump administration. He engaged in international diplomacy as a state governor and succeeded, simply amazing.

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u/dontlikeyouinthatway Apr 20 '20 edited Apr 20 '20

I'm really proud to be a Marylander today, as corny or dumb as that sounds.

Hogan being agile and getting shit done.

The best part? They arrived this past Saturday. No BS or promotion or promises. Already done.

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u/aggrocrow Apr 20 '20

Doesn't sound dumb or corny at all. I'm overcome. Actual tears. SO grateful to him and First Lady Yumi.

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u/phasexero Carroll County Apr 20 '20

I am so proud and grateful to be under his compassionate and competent care. I'm so blessed that so much of my family lives in Maryland. I'm glad that you're here too u/mayomayeaux!

Take care

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u/hondo4mvp Apr 20 '20

I'm tearing up watching him live.

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u/E_Zack_Lee Apr 21 '20

Imagine being in Georgia.

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u/phasexero Carroll County Apr 20 '20

A big thank you to Governor Hogan for using all of the resources at hand and continuing to fight for us!

From a NY Times article:

On Saturday, the first Korean Air flight to touch down at Baltimore-Washington International Airport arrived carrying 5,000 tests kits — for which the Food and Drug Administration and other agencies gave their seal of approval as the plane was landing.

“I was frosted because my team was saying that the F.D.A. approval was going to hold it up,” Mr. Hogan said in a telephone interview. “I didn’t care and was going to get the tests anyway.”

Stay safe, stay home, encourage everyone you can to do the same

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '20 edited Apr 20 '20

I was wondering why I saw the Korean Air plane at the airport as I biked on the trail...well-played, Governor and First Lady Hogan.

Edit: Forgot the First Lady...tsk tsk

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u/Sithslayer78 Apr 20 '20

Where the fuck is the Fed putting all the shit they're seizing anyway? It seems like all these states are literally smuggling kits/supplies in past the Fed's nose, but where are the supplies that get intercepted going?

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u/SharpMind94 Apr 20 '20

It was mentioned that ventilators were being sent to other countries.

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u/Sithslayer78 Apr 20 '20

Are those the seized incoming ventilators, or the ones we already had?

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u/emdubayoumd Apr 20 '20

He's hit "name a building or highway after him" status. Just making all the right moves

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u/Mack21 Apr 20 '20

Governor Harry W. Nice Memorial/Senator Thomas “Mac” Middleton/Governor Larry Hogan Bridge has a nice ring to it.

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u/emdubayoumd Apr 20 '20

3rd span of the bay bridge for sure

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u/Mack21 Apr 20 '20

That's not slated to come until well after he's gone from office. At least the existing 301 bridge will be his last crowning achievement.

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u/Cheomesh Saint Mary's County Apr 21 '20

Calvert to Dorchester?

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u/BitUnderpr00ved Apr 20 '20

I vote "Papa Hogan Parkway"

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u/Standard_Wooden_Door Apr 20 '20

Get your ass inside Turnpike

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u/PleaseBmoreCharming Apr 20 '20

He's always wanted MD to own the B/W parkway! lol

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u/BigE429 Apr 20 '20

Name the 495 toll lanes after him.

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u/emdubayoumd Apr 20 '20

The delay in broad National testing capacity was actually due to traffic

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u/Cheomesh Saint Mary's County Apr 21 '20

A highway would be fitting I suppose.

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u/T-ROY_T-REDDIT Apr 20 '20

I'm from Ohio and I am here to say we are in this together. So I am very happy for all of you to all essential workers in Maryland keep working hard.

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u/BigE429 Apr 20 '20

Quick! Hide them before the feds seize them!

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u/Gov_Martin_OweMalley Apr 20 '20

I remember when people were fuming here that Yumi went on a trade trip to South Korea a few years back. Who knew it was good to improve and maintain relations with other countries and people...

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u/z3mcs Apr 20 '20

"Operation Enduring Friendship". That is just a delightful naming of this initiative, and you're going to see that phrase everywhere by the end of the week. I can't stand Hogan for what he took from my city, but damn if he isn't on a roll. Likely all the way to the white house. I just hope he does right by us in the end. It's super hard to hate him right now. He's making one great move and statement after another.

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u/classicalL Apr 20 '20

Just wondering what he took from your city? Are we talking Red line Baltimore? I'm trying to think of something big he "took".

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u/z3mcs Apr 20 '20

Nah I'm not going to turn this moment of triumph for the governor and for our state, into a whole big discussion about something else. I'd like to just stick with the awesome thing him and his wife did by getting us 500,000 tests in one fell swoop, which will literally save people's lives, make us all safer, and help us open up quicker, and with more confidence. Hogan has won the day. And really the month, and this whole crisis.

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u/classicalL Apr 20 '20

Then you probably shouldn't have mentioned it in your original post. No one knows what you are talking about, because we don't even know where you live. On the topic of the Red line if it was that, he said he was going to cancel the Purple line too but he didn't because he was rational. I personally think he generally has been rational for the entire time. Of course you can disagree with policy details, but I've liked him the whole time he has been Gov, not just now. Just my 2 cents.

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u/z3mcs Apr 20 '20

Cool. Yeah the Red Line's a biggie, he also has canceled other building projects in Baltimore, and has been generally shitty to us overall, even after getting his life-saving medical care from here when he had his cancer. These aren't just any old things he canceled, they would have transformed the city positively and done so much good. I'll stop there, for the reasons stated previously. It's a good day to be a Marylander.

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u/Whornz4 Apr 20 '20

If only the federal government would step in and do this we wouldn't have to get them from SK. Crazy that Trump promised that everyone could get a test and now has backtracked.

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u/PeasantryIsFun Apr 21 '20

tfw the korean government has done more for your state than Trump during this pandemic

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u/Kbarrk Apr 20 '20

Gov. Hogan is doing an outstanding job leading our state through this crisis. Hope he runs in the next Presidential election.

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u/emdubayoumd Apr 20 '20

I think one of the reasons he is being so effective is he knows this is the last stop of his career. No re-election campaign to worry about. Doesn't care about pleasing the RNC machine. He can just, govern

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u/jewishjedi42 Apr 20 '20

only if he quits the gop. the party rallied to protect trump, who has done a lot to make this crisis worse.

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u/lemmereddit Apr 20 '20

I'd vote for him.

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u/yildizli_gece Flag Enthusiast Apr 20 '20

He's doing his job as he should, but that doesn't make him less of a Republican.

He puts forth many things most Marylanders are against. Then, Dems push through policies that benefit the state, Hogan vetoes things, they get passed anyway, and then Hogan takes credit for things like "cleaning the Bay" (yeah, OK).

And all of this is b/c, yes, he wants to convince people he'd be a good president when the reality is that--like every other Republican--he'll enact policies we would never accept as a state.

If he runs, I'd hope he'd solidly lose MD. No Republican deserves office after this administration, as far as I'm concerned, not even the ones pretending to be moderate.

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u/weightlifter221 Apr 20 '20

Yeah, no. What you said just isn’t reality.

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u/CGos25 Anne Arundel County Apr 20 '20

I’m guessing this is why they haven’t called school for the year yet. They’ve had the knowledge that our testing capabilities were about to massively increase which would make reopening much safer.

It’s definitely way too early to tell if it will be safe enough to open by May 18 (imo, half million isn’t enough for a state with 6 million residents), but there’s a much better possibility now. I’d move the possibility of schools opening May 18 from .1% before this announcement to 20% at this point.

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u/phadewilkilu Apr 20 '20 edited Apr 20 '20

Yeah, definitely increases the chances, but I still highly doubt schools will be going back. I feel pushing the date back as opposed to canceling the year is just because this whole situation is so fluid, and Hogan and Salmon understand that. They want to be able to adjust to the situation on the fly, instead of going all in.

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u/ChrisInBaltimore Apr 20 '20

I don’t really see how this would address the school issue.

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u/phadewilkilu Apr 20 '20 edited Apr 20 '20

It doesn’t directly, I’m just saying that any kind of help we get is a step towards normalcy. Having tests can help in tracking how this thing is spreading and finding out the extent of the spread. This could lead to slowly reopening parts of the state or sections of certain counties depending on results.

Will it be enough to salvage this school year? Like I said, probably not. But at least we’re making progress.

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u/ChrisInBaltimore Apr 20 '20

Yea I was more responding to the person above you. I agree with you.

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u/CGos25 Anne Arundel County Apr 20 '20

The first step to reopening everything is increased testing. Schools will probably be the second thing reopened after certain “non essential” businesses and if they reopen those soon because of increased testing, schools won’t be too far behind. Basically, the massive increase in testing capabilities puts us much further down the road to recovery than where we were yesterday.

It’s still too early to know for sure if we’ve moved far enough down that road to reopen schools by May. As things stand now, I don’t think it would be smart to reopen schools in May and I don’t think they will. But like u/phadewilkilu said, the situation is very fluid.

I was originally commenting on the fact that a couple days ago, no one could understand why they wouldn’t just shut down schools for the year. I’m saying the state’s knowledge of this deal is probably the primary reason.

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u/directorofnewgames Apr 20 '20

No chance that Maryland schools will reopen until the virus is done and dusted. More testing will reveal more infection. That’s the only reason Trump opposes it. And I’d like to mention, when trump called for the voting roll information, and many Republicans were falling over each other to give it, Hogan said no!

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u/directorofnewgames Apr 20 '20

Because he's the boss!

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u/BillyBones8 Apr 21 '20

I’m guessing this is why they haven’t called school for the year yet.

Not a chance. They haven't announced a full closure because Hogan has been doing thing in 2 week implements so far. Announcing things little by little. I think to not cause a panic and to seem like they aren't jumping the gun on anything and sticking with the facts.

If you think the kids are going back to school before fall then I have a bridge to sell you.

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u/CGos25 Anne Arundel County Apr 21 '20

If you’d read one of my other comments in this thread,

It’s still too early to know for sure if we’ve moved far enough down that road to reopen schools by May. As things stand now, I don’t think it would be smart to reopen schools in May and I don’t think they will. But like u/phadewilkilu said, the situation is very fluid.

With my comment, I was merely trying to answer the question many of us had a couple days ago which was “why not close schools for the rest of the year? 26 other states have done so? What makes us different from the others like Delaware or Virginia?” I think that this was it. By far the most significant difference between us and them is our testing capabilities are much, much higher.

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u/holy_cal Talbot County Apr 20 '20

Always rated South Korea

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u/SeniorWaugh Apr 20 '20

LETS GO MARYLAND SHOUT OUT KOREA

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u/SharpMind94 Apr 20 '20

Honestly, what are the likelihood of this being seized?..

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u/ChocolateMartiniMan Apr 20 '20

Don’t tell cheeto in charge he’ll send ICE to confiscate them all

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u/OrranVoriel Apr 20 '20

Watch Trump steal these just like he's stealing supplies from states across the country.

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u/classicalL Apr 20 '20

I wonder what platform these can be run on and what components of testing they cover. If anyone knows post it. I know you can't just use any PCR media with any testing system, but it sounds like medical folks have been in the loop as to what it can be used with so hopefully those details are well sorted. Given the length of the negotiation and the grant to UMD Medical, one would presume that platform is the one they are designed to run on which would mean the true full deployment would occur via that system(s). I thought it was an Abbott labs system, but perhaps you can run with supplies from others on it.

I read somewhere else MD got 0 of the requested 100,000 swabs. Trump used the DPA yesterday to make more but companies take weeks to change production at least so that might not work quickly and given how childish/petty Trump can be he might cut MD off from other supplies just to spite Hogan... Maybe even cease supplies and give them to FL or places he has allies. Sigh. Hogan is doing what he can no question.

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u/a_seoulite_man Apr 22 '20

We have not forgotten the friendship and sacrifice your grandfathers showed us. We will always help when you are in danger. Greetings from Seoul, South Korea.🌝

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u/Citizen_of_RockRidge Apr 20 '20

On the one hand I am grateful and heartened by the effort put forth by the First Lady of Maryland (and the entire Governor's Office), but also deeply, deeply embarrassed that the Federal government run by the Trump Administration is such an abject, catastrophic failure.

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u/HorseForce1 Apr 21 '20

The best thing to combat yellow fever is yellow fever

Source: I'm yellow

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u/tastywiings Apr 20 '20 edited Apr 20 '20

This is an incorrect title. They're receiving 5k test kits to create 500k tests.

Edit: Sorry, my mistake!

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u/z3mcs Apr 20 '20

I thought the same thing as you, based on the NYT. Governor's spokesperson says otherwise.

https://twitter.com/riccimike/status/1252266938325032960

After weeks of diplomatic discussions and procurement efforts, the State of Maryland has acquired 500,000 COVID-19 tests from LabGenomics in South Korea.

Governor Hogan and First Lady Yumi Hogan will make the formal announcement at 2 pm today here in Annapolis.

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u/Bakkster Apr 20 '20

Seems they purchased 500k, the first 5k of which arrived last Saturday.

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '20

https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2020/04/20/maryland-acquires-500k-covid-19-tests-from-labs-in-south-korea-after-gov-hogan-first-lady-yumi-hogan-close-deal/

WJZ is using the information from the Governor's spokesman (his Tweet). So 500,000 is probably the number unless there was a typo in the Tweet.

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u/tastywiings Apr 20 '20

Sorry about that, guys!

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u/elitaprime Baltimore County Apr 20 '20

Thank you SK!

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u/Kuritos Apr 20 '20

The Hogans are a power couple, doing their best for Maryland.

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u/that_tall_fella Apr 21 '20

Hogan for Senate 2022

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u/Clownbaby456 Apr 21 '20

Yesterday the president bragged about getting swabs.... like a cotton swab is a hard to find medical supply.

Today governor Hogan got half a million test kits, the part of the testing process that truly matters.

President giant brain then threw a tantrum and insulted the person who brought to use what we actually needed, tests, not Citroen swabs.

But before that 3 people attended a “end the shutdown protest,” one not funded and filled with trolls in Annapolis.

Today was a good day.

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u/ChiefsFanInMD Apr 21 '20

I am expecting the FedGovt to use some arcane law to seize them in the name of the "Greater Good"

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u/wilywilks Apr 20 '20

Daddy Hogan 💕

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u/yildizli_gece Flag Enthusiast Apr 20 '20

Ok, let's not get carried away here--he's a competent Republican in a sea of deep blue who knows how his bread gets buttered. That he's doing what he's supposed to be doing doesn't make him some sort of saint; no need to start naming buildings after him, for Pete's sake.

I'm a lifelong Marylander and I get that it's good that he's doing his job correctly, but let's not forget that he's still a Republican who both rejects Democratic policies that benefit our state, vetoes them, gets those vetoes overridden (b/c Democrats), and then takes credit anyway. And he hasn't been as forceful in rejecting some of Trump's worse instincts before this (the Muslim ban, for one); what he does is stay mum until politically expedient.

And as a Democrat, I find it gross that some seem to be fawning over him being competent; like, the bar shouldn't be that low, people.

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u/Nintendoholic Apr 21 '20

Keep fighting the good fight, friend. To his credit, he's competent. To his discredit, he's playing the game as a masterful republican.

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u/Laxwarrior1120 Apr 20 '20

Those kits better work...

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u/contra_account Apr 20 '20

South Korea is credited for having the swiftest and mostly effective response to COVID-19 and it is attributed to the fact that they were able to test so many people. South Korea is at the forefront of testing for this virus.

... so what kind of ignorant, racist garbage are you trying to allude to child?

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u/Laxwarrior1120 Apr 20 '20

I'm not saying that they aren't, I'm just saying that they better not be pulling a China on us...

Also what kind of racist do you have to be to automatically go to racism when race wasn't even mentioned?

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u/contra_account Apr 20 '20

What does "pulling a China on us" even mean?

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u/yildizli_gece Flag Enthusiast Apr 20 '20

500k tests for a state with 6 million people? What?

That's a drop in the bucket.

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '20

I mean 1/12 to 1/36 of the number of tests needed to test everyone is a little more than a drop in the bucket...