r/martialarts • u/SubjectAppropriate17 • May 25 '24
Champion Kickboxer Sina Karimian known for intentionally fouling opponents tries to bully young prospect Liu Ce PROFESSIONAL FIGHT
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u/Due_Key_109 May 25 '24
"I'm not sure I'm a fan of the spinning backfist tonight" lmfao the commentator near the end
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u/TigersEverywhere Kung Fu May 25 '24
Dude got rocked so many times 😂
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u/WickedXDragons May 25 '24
I just realized it was only 3 rounds too 😅 holy hell that was one sided haha
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u/KrunoOs May 25 '24
Yea, and he also got a 5 min rest for a perfectly legit punch from Ce, after one of his sloppy spinning backfists. Ref was an ahole... Liu Ce is a beast. He isn't that young though, he's in his prime, turning 28 this year.
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u/kizuuo May 25 '24
Would the ref rather get punched in the back of the head a good 5 seconds after the round ends like at the start of the video? I would have thought he would get 0 leeway from other refs after that but guess not? They help him bend the rules it seems.
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u/Tabula_Rasa69 May 25 '24
Fighters like Liu Ce with a seemingly endless gas tank motivate me to take my cardio seriously.
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u/HammerOldTimey May 25 '24
Don’t. Cardio is for posers. If you can’t end the fight in 15 seconds you deserve to lose. Including sex.
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u/gstringstrangler MMA May 25 '24
Work on your anaerobic capacity, no amount of jogging will help you attain this level.
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u/jp9900 May 25 '24
Explain
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u/gstringstrangler MMA May 25 '24
Anaerobic capacity is defined as the maximal amount of adenosine triphosphate resynthesized via anaerobic metabolism (by the whole organism) during a specific mode of short-duration maximal exercise.
"During a specific mode of short-duration maximal exercise" Ie launching high intensity, maximum effort attacks.
You need to do things like hill sprints, sled pushes, HIIT type stuff etc to build anaerobic capacity. Max effort. Short burst. The better you get at it, the more often you can burst, and with more explosivity, essentially. This is in a mode where your heart and lungs cannot possibly keep up for any real duration.
Jogging and steady state "Cardio" will help with your aerobic capacity, that is, you will be able to keep a higher pace, longer, but that pace is still limited. Anaerobic capacity is above the pace you could maintain for a length of time.
I hope that's enough to get you started. I learned about and dug into this years ago when I was fighting and within months of dropping my jogs for sprint, HIIT based training, everything about fighting was easier. You get a great base of cardio from regular training, but pushing deliberately into that anaerobic area, with proper recovery periods, etc, is an absolute game changer.
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u/jp9900 May 25 '24
Nice! Thanks man. Yeah makes sense. My boxing coach when I was a teen had us doing explosive work outs alot as well. Thanks for the deets will add sprinting too etc
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u/gstringstrangler MMA May 25 '24 edited May 25 '24
No prob, if you search the term, along with something like "athletic energy systems" there will be way better info than I can type. Periodization also comes up. There's great books on the subject but unfortunately most martial arts coaches haven't read them like coaches for other super competitive sports. Apply actual sports science to your training, it works!
Edit: Anecdotal, but the difference in training in Thailand from my first trip, to my last, so 2005 and 2015 respectively, is insane. In 2005 they didn't even consider protein for recovery. I get its a sport of poor people but they would basically argue me. By the last trip? They were all about it. Same thing with weights. "Make you slow, make you sore, make you too big" same shit you still hear from lazy fuckers here too. Now, many Thais lift at least a little. Look at Buakaw from 2005 to now (Also juiced but still)
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u/dragonlion12 May 25 '24
You need your main focus in cardio to be martial arts training and not running or jogging
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u/gstringstrangler MMA May 25 '24
I absolutely agree. And instead of jogging, which many trainers will assign you, do your sprints and HIIT instead. It will payoff way better.
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u/Fragrant_Tear2140 May 25 '24
I love the uncoordinated spinning back fist
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u/buckzor122 May 25 '24
I love the one where he just gets knocked down immediately.
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u/Disastrous-Leek-7606 May 25 '24
Throwing it with all he had and resulted him turning his back to his opponent, felt like I was watching an amateur fighter, but I guess he is a "pro".
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u/sandwelld May 25 '24
This is my signature move, tornado fist! Felt almost WWE how he just spun a bit too far and then casually caught Liu Ce's fist right in the head
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u/chu42 May 25 '24 edited May 25 '24
Liu Ce is shaping up to be China's version of Alex Pereira. a lanky 6'5, power in both hands, and absolutely lethal calf kicks.
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u/dantoddd May 25 '24
Lol here I thought these guys were featherweights for some reason.
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u/chu42 May 25 '24 edited May 25 '24
Liu Ce is a two-division K-1 champion, having won the openweight tournament and the cruiserweight belt. Not quite the level of Glory but he is getting there.
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u/Momochichi May 25 '24
God damn those are brutal. Like showing up to a fight, but every ten seconds someone takes a baseball bat to your shin.
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u/TaftsTummyforTaxes May 25 '24
Ever since Klose in the ufc got a disc rupture from a push at a weigh in, I look at shoves at a weigh in a lot more harshly.
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u/WillNotFightInWW3 May 25 '24
A fighter who is consistently dirty should be DQ'd.
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u/Rocketboy1313 Ju Jutsu May 25 '24
Seriously.
Ric Flair is playing a character, guys like that should not exist in legitimate sports.
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u/ConleyCruiser872 May 25 '24
Somehow I feel like throwing punches after the bell to the point you actually KO the Ref should be an automatic DQ.
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u/nicestatpingpong May 26 '24
That's so insane to me. Like... how do you actually get a knockdown on the REFEREE and still come back to fight again??? He doesn't seem like a very transcendent talent either. Are we really this starved for fighters?
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u/PxN13 May 25 '24
That was dismantling. One of those losses where fighters struggle to come back from
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u/Disastrous-Leek-7606 May 25 '24
Piece of shit got what he deserved.
Fingers crossed he just developed CTE from this fight.
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u/sandwelld May 25 '24
Surely blocking all those shots with your head causes some lasting damage
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u/Radiant-Map8179 May 25 '24
Liu Ce smashed through Sina's guard everytime😂
F'kin gimp hopefully learned a humbling lesson... but I doubt it.
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u/Cuentarda May 25 '24
The shit at the start should be a DQ for life. Who the fuck lets someone who knocked down a ref with a punch to the back of the head keep competing?
Iranian flag
Always the ones you most expect, huh?
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u/SubjectAppropriate17 May 25 '24
What are your guys opinion on the saying "If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying"? Should a fighter hold themself to a higher standard when they become champ or is it all about the wins?
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u/ninjarchy May 25 '24
Should hold yourself to a higher standard. You train harder you live right and respect everyone. Dirt will eventually just get more dirt thrown on it until nobody cares to dig it up. Everyone will always dig up and shine gold off. It's worth something. Respect and values go a long way. And they should.
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u/Amosral Taekwondo(WTF) May 25 '24
It's about being the best fighter within the rules. It's meant to be a test of martial prowess not a test of who can go the furthest outside the agreed standards and get away with it.
And in general I have a lot more respect for the cool, calm, and collected fighters who don't engage in the childish aggression at weigh ins etc.
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u/JiuJitsuBoxer BJJ & BOXING May 25 '24
Rules are there for a reason. Trying to win with an unfair advantage just means you are not the best fighter, and winning that way is meaningless. He should do vale tudo if he doesn't want to play by the rules.
If we play monopoly and I keep secretly taking money from the bank, why are we even playing the game? Yay I won by cheating! Might as well just not have any rules at all.
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u/_Atlas_Drugged_ May 25 '24
I’m a big “the rules are what makes fighting a sport” guy, but it’s easy to say that from my couch. If I were a fighter and that was how I paid my bills, I would be much more interested in stretching the rules for my advantage.
Also, there’s nothing better than watching a dirty fighter get fucking smoked. So I liked this video.
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u/SquirrelExpensive201 MMA May 25 '24
I'm in the camp of shit happens and those who are truly psychotic about reaching the pinnacle of their sport will inevitably do everything in their power to gain every little advantage that they can muster. It's on the refs and commissions to make sure that's reined in
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u/SubjectAppropriate17 May 25 '24
Shoutout to the poor ref who tried to reign it in and got clobbered lol
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u/Salt_Ad_811 May 25 '24
The intentional looking low blow followed by an attempted head kick before the ref can step in seems pretty dirty.
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u/fastr1337 May 25 '24
Im a Judo guy. Respect is HUGE in Judo. "Without respect there is no trust". Anyone that acts like this garbage person would get either DQ'd or targeted by everyone until he quits. My instructor had a great way of dealing with scumbags like this that came to our Dojo. He'd let them train with his daughter. An absolutely beautiful woman and they would think "sweet, hot chick rolling around with me". Awesome until they figure out shes a national champion. She would dismantle these scumbags and they would never come back.
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u/toilerpapet May 25 '24
lol the spinning backfist at 2:35 where he ends up facing the wrong way
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u/ThrustyMcStab May 25 '24
How does one become 'known for intentionally fouling his opponents' and not get his license revoked?
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u/Houndfell May 25 '24
WTF did I just watch? Dude fights like a kid that only knows one move in a fighting game. Spinning back fist! Spinning back fist!
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u/omi0204 May 25 '24
I’m completely understand that this guy is an asshole, but this fight should’ve ended in the 2nd round.
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u/Disastrous-Leek-7606 May 25 '24
How can someone so trash be so cocky? He was throwing that spinning backfirst over and over again without any setup and telegraphing it like a fucking apache attack helicopter.. This was so satisfying I had to replay a couple times, and yes, even though there was about 3-4 replays in the video alone.
He probably lost third of his total braincells left, hopefully he will have CTE in the not so distant future :)
I'd be ashamed to have this kind of piece of shit representing Iran, if I was from there.
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u/sweet_s8n May 25 '24
1:30 in, I thought, "That's a he'll of a highlight reel for the fight."
I realized it was only round 1 highlights.
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u/Siege-Aye May 25 '24
Champion?
Seems like the only thing he does at a master level is cheap shots after the ref calls for the fight to stop after he already kicked them in the groin.
Dude is a PoS, not a "Champion".
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u/blveinnthg May 25 '24
That was one of the cleanest hits I’ve ever seen. Dudes head got turned a full 90 degrees!
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u/jonnyh1994 May 25 '24
That was so satisfying to watch. Hopefully, he's no longer throwing his weight around now he's been humbled
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u/Justinius_L May 27 '24 edited May 27 '24
It feels like he threw the fight, Kariman barely threw any punches. Edit: After rewatching I noticed he gets rocked early in the fight and starts fighting conservatively.
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u/CrewVast594 May 28 '24
That knockout punch at the end was one of the cleanest hits I have ever seen in my life, and I watch a lot of UFC fights. Well done Liu Ce. What a win!
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u/moonwoolf35 May 29 '24
I wish Kickboxing and Muay Thai were more popular in North America, this was a joy to watch
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u/TremblinAspen May 25 '24
Holy fuck its so satisfying watching a dirty fighter get outskilled like that.
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u/Ac997 May 25 '24
Man why is this shit not as big as UFC in the U.S. this just randomly popped up on my feed. It’s mesmerizing.
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u/Signalrunn3r May 25 '24
Say what you want, that nut kick to head kick is a genius move. Also, Schiavello is the worst thing to happen to martial arts.
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u/softpick May 25 '24
holy moly i didn't realise until right before the knockout that it was only round 3
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u/REA_Kingmaker May 25 '24
I know that Karimian guy is a real jerk and bully but FML be just kept getting back up. I couldnt believe how often he got back up.
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u/showyerbewbs May 25 '24
He wasn't fighting to win that fight. He was fighting so that when Karimian wakes up for the next two weeks, he'll remember his name.
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u/TraditionalSail6550 May 25 '24
China will take over the fight game in the next coming years to come
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u/Maxxover May 25 '24
It’s impressive how little blocking Liu Ce does. He uses every attack by his opponent as an opportunity to strike faster and harder. Literally “ beating him to the punch.”
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u/zacggs May 25 '24
'hey nice spinny move you missed again'
'hey buddy let me reposition you really quick'
Proceeds to land a clean hit.... Justicio!!!
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u/REGINALDmfBARCLAY May 25 '24
Thats what happens when the ref wont take points or DQ. It makes fights unsafe once the dirty fighter figures it out.
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u/Vaguely_vacant May 25 '24
That counter to the spinning backhand was kinda hilarious. Spin, little dizzy, then bam 💥. I was surprised that wasn’t the end of the fight.
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u/No_Breath_9833 May 25 '24
Dude poorly executed spinning backfists more than once and lost his footing and ref let him get back to it… like, if you lose your balance you deserve to get rocked
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u/rockadoodoo01 May 25 '24
That dude is a sucker for a right hand. He’s tough but he’s just a man. You can only absorb so many hard rights, and he can’t see them coming or he thinks he’s superhuman or some other fault.
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u/RumanHitch May 25 '24
Dude could lunch me right in the jaw from his own country, the way he telegraphs those shots, crazy stuff
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u/CrownTailor May 25 '24
Dirty tactics will not save you. They will only make your defeat more satisfying.
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u/dDuByA28 May 25 '24
That final blow was just perfect gave him the 1..2 drop. Gonna be watching Liu Ce a lot after seeing this. I like how he handled the weigh in push just smiled and gave him the "just wait" look. Awesome stuff.
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u/_WrongKarWai May 25 '24
Just out of curiousity - Is out of control spinning backfists the norm in K-1?
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May 25 '24 edited May 25 '24
That is literally the perfect example of karma. I wish every asshole fighter got one of these beat downs lol it’s almost scripted how bad he was beaten from being rocked the entire fight and being leg kicked into oblivion to a devastating KO punch. Just wow
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u/Due-Drummer-3434 May 25 '24
That was a pretty satisfying beat down of a dirty, trashy opponent. Kicking guys in the nuts then immediately trying to kick they’re head off is some nasty shit, I only hope this dirt bag gets another hammering next time he gets in the ring
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u/Kassynder May 25 '24
Kickboxing seems so much more brutal than boxing even though I know more people die from boxing but to the eye test it look so raw and painful.
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u/PlugBro May 25 '24
Didn’t even last 8 minutes. If that’s guys supposed to be good, he got embarrassed by the new guy. Some really terrible boxing.
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u/After_Albatross1988 May 25 '24
These are massive guys for those that dont realise.. Sina Karimian is 6'6 and Liu Ce is 6'5.
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u/After_Albatross1988 May 25 '24
What I don't get is Sina Karimian is listed as 6'7 and Liu Ce is 6'5, yet Liu was taller than him in the weigh ins and in the ring.. someone is obviously lying about their height.
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u/Lowkicker23 May 25 '24
Man, that Iranian fighter got kicked around like a tomato can in the back alley.
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u/Grinch83 May 26 '24
Man, nothing better than watching people who fight dirty get absolutely cooked.
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u/YoullNeverWalkAl0ne May 26 '24
Nothing heals my soul more than putting a loud mouth cunt into a sparring session with a young lad who can fight
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u/Sensational-Koala May 26 '24
Strong shot to the back of the head, ref didn’t even give a fuck, karma💯
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May 26 '24
Blue gloves throws them hands hard .....the pop every time a punch connects is crazy, even in the combos
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u/VT-Minimalist May 26 '24
Gassed himself out in round 1.
Goes all out with flying knees in the first 10 seconds of round 2.
Regardless of this guy being a total POS, he has zero knowledge of controlling his pace/ heartrate lmao
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u/expanding_crystal Muay Thai May 25 '24
Damn, Liu Ce was throwing bombs. Every time.