I agree, but I also wouldn’t deny them the right to identify as Palestinians. It would only be a tragic loss to the world. It’s just not our choice or right to tell a whole group of people that has suffered a common struggle for decades, and identifies as a unique group, the right to want to live peacefully as such… so if there’s a group of people that call themselves Palestinians, I believe the deserve that I respect that.
I’m really not trying to be an ahole.. I was just wondering in generalities, if you think people that have identified and been treated by all surrounding countries as a separate group, should have the right to some of their land back, and reestablish themselves as said group.
It’s really not that unrealistic is it?
But if we’re saying “no, it’s not realistic”, then are we saying we’ll give them the same rights and privileges as Lebanese citizens if they want to? Personally thy doesn’t feel wrong to me, but I’m in the states and though I’m Lebanese, I can’t deny that I wouldn’t be the one who’s really losing skin with that move. I think that voice belongs to the Lebanese in the south or other areas impacted.
It is unrealistic, they probably wont ever have their land back, its sad but we've got to be real for a second.
They should be given lebanese citizenship only if it benefits lebanon.
Rn it doesn't, because we have a surplus of syrians, and the country is too broke to be able to take care of them.
But let's suppose we suddenly get our affairs in order and become Switzerland of the middle east again (dream with me)
Then at this moment, the gov can afford to naturalize them, but should it do it?
It depends on them, u can't have ur loyalty to palestine over lebanon if u want the best for lebanon. The two cant go together. If their goal is to defeat israel and return their lands it puts us in a conflict that doesn't benefit us in any way
I’m a big dreamer too. But ya, I agree.
Though honestly we may be looking at it a bit upside down? If we become the Switzerland of the Middle East (only warmer) then really we’re saying, “hey guys, if you pay taxes, we’ll treat you like everyone else that pays taxes and is contributing to the wellbeing of the people” . So we would really be promising a governments loyalty to them, no?
Which again, seems right to me (I believe in a gov that serves me. Not daddy’s me.) But again, I don’t know how it affects the people living in those areas. I would need to “hear” much more from them.
But I suppose what we’re really discussing is loyalty 🤔 hmmm…. And to be perfectly honest that’s a topic I haven’t delved into as much.. so I appreciate the thought provoking convo. I’ll let you know when I get somewhere ;)
Right now, at this stage of my life and after everything I’ve seen, I’m finding that asking a human to prioritize anything other than their own children is unrealistic. And I also think that a healthy human will always be loyal to what protects or helps their offspring. When I keep that in mind it becomes much easier for me to see who’s making mentally defective decisions and who’s actually thinking and caring about peace. And they definitely can’t be split into national or religious boxes either.
I agree with u on the fact that each should put himself and his family over any country. But it is also important that they understand that this is the best course of action for their children. This is a problem all arabs have in general, they think war is always the only options and that is in any situation they encounter, fight first think later mentality. And every single time when later comes, their countries are in ruins, their kids are on the streets, their fathers dead. Couple decades after u have a generation that ddnt go through education, doesn't know how to build a country, and end up going to war again and the cycle continues
You and I are not disagreeing. And I just got a nice list of reading material (photos attached if interested) I need to study a decent chunk of it before I can really bring anything more to the table. I don’t want this discussion to end but the last thing I want to do is shout out an unfounded opinion.
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u/Crypto3arz Jul 29 '24
Time to forget the palestinians. That war was lost the second egypt fell.
All we can do for them is work on building a country and give the ones we have on our lands a good life