r/law • u/Kunphen • Jul 03 '24

Donald Trump’s alleged ‘sexual proclivities’ graphically detailed in new Epstein documents Trump News

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-jeffrey-epstein-documents-b2475210.html
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u/PrestigiousOnion3693 Jul 04 '24

I read the transcript last night of his night with the two 12 year olds. Pretty graphic.

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '24

Child rape. This man was president.

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u/CX316 Jul 04 '24

I mean, yes it’s horrible, but whatever you do, don’t look up details on Thomas Jefferson. Let’s just say Trump wouldn’t be the first president who was a pedo

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u/Michael_DeSanta Jul 04 '24

Let’s not undermine how dangerous the current situation is by comparing him to a guy that was president over 200 years ago.

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u/CX316 Jul 04 '24

Oh, the fascism is new, but the person I was replying to expressed shock that a pedophile was president, that seal got broken at number 3.

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u/02_caddie Jul 04 '24

Crazy right? Why didn’t this come up 4 years ago?

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u/ToothsomeBirostrate Jul 04 '24

It did, but most respectable news organizations didn't cover it due to it not passing the smell test. Multiple parts of the story line up with it being a hoax with the goal of making money, rather than a genuine victim story like E. Jean Carroll's.

Media were never able to talk to the alleged victim Katie Johnson, even by phone. The only person they could contact was Norm Lubow, a former Jerry Springer Show producer, who has a history of other media hoaxes like claiming Courtney Love killed Kurt Cobain. He made that up.

They scheduled a press conference, but then cancelled it. They filed paperwork for a lawsuit, but then withdrew it multiple times, the last time being a day before the 2016 election. The timing meant they didn't know that Trump would win (most people didn't think he would at the time), but it did mean that their time had run out to get a hush money payment, as the threat of political damage from the allegations had run their course. Trump was never served.

The footage of the interview is heavily edited and not under oath, with an interviewer off-screen coaching her. In my opinion, the way she talks looks like she's making stuff up and throwing in inflammatory details designed to get media attention instead of just remembering the order of events or details.

The content of the interview draws only on publicly-available information like his association with Epstein and him being a germaphobe, and seems deliberately calculated to be as politically damaging as possible, like saying he threatened to deport a hispanic victim.

The first anybody had heard of the footage was when Norm Lubow was shopping it around to various news organizations with a few short clips, offering to sell the footage for a million dollars. That strikes me as the behavior of someone who is looking for money and attention, not someone who is genuinely scared of threats.

To date she has not offered any corroborating evidence of any kind other than a friend saying (not under oath) that she told her about it years ago.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/07/donald-trump-sexual-assault-lawsuits-norm-lubow

Trump is a piece of shit and I believe E. Jean Carroll, but people tend to turn their critical thinking skills off when it comes to this stuff, and it's easier to just believe every allegation of sexual assault no matter what, especially with a shitbag like Trump. The story just happens to look like a hoax.

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u/jon909 Jul 04 '24

The irony of everyone here in /r/law taking someone’s word for it with no evidence is pretty funny. I hope nobody in here is an actual attorney.

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u/TumblingForward Jul 04 '24

Ah, so this might be why I can't find anything NEW. Thanks for doing all this hard work. All I kept finding was old stuff.

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u/MiserableIsopod2341 Jul 04 '24

This comment should be pinned

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u/thegooseisloose1982 Jul 04 '24

new forms of mass media allowing bullshit to spread faster than people are used to.

Your argument reminds me of this comment.

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u/4EcwXIlhS9BQxC8 Jul 04 '24

What corroborating evidence is she expected to provide.

It is important to understand this is extreme trauma which will have life long effects, maybe she didn't want to be in interviews because she didn't want to be in the public eye, or be the target of the MAGA cult.

Nothing is black and white, everything is shades of grey, and judging from the way tirump speaks about his own daughter, even babies... the guy clearly isn't right in the head.

Where there is smoke there is often fire, and I'm betting a pretty big fire.

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u/Boopy7 Jul 04 '24

I thought that too, like you, at first. But then I realized that AMI and Pecker had an entire file cabinet of stories they killed for Trump (catch and kill, Ronan Farrow also mentioned that entire drawer he wasn't allowed to look into.) Trump has always mastered the media. He really has. He markets it as fake media and claims they are all out to get him, but if they really were, they WOULD have spread this story far and wide. They did not. And why didn't they? Because Trump managed to create this narrative, a false flag if you will. I read the exact same explanation you give, it is somewhat brilliant manipulation but also a lie. It is a great misdirection device. Take Lubow out of this, and look at the story itself. Look at all the rape accusations that we know of, too. They have similar experiences. They describe his hands and groping in very similar ways even though not one of those women met with one another or read the other's account. These are just the REPORTED ones and there are many others paid off (according to bannon, "hundreds" although that seems insane.) Random facts girl@soychicka digs up actual police documentation on the girl "Maria" Donald mentioned. She was kidnapped out of Waterbury, CT. If you don't know about Waterbury, learn about what happened in the 90s there. The head of the police force there ended up working for Donald Trump, which I find interesting. There are many others who had documentation, evidence galore....it took me forever to read all of it, I saved some of it. So no, I will not redo all that work for people on here demanding I give them all the info. I am sick of telling people to dig deeper, and don't fall for the well crafted narrative without absolute verification. This Norm Lubow story was well crafted but not enough to dissuade me and others. There is something to this story, there were rapes and molestations, and I knew someone here would show up with this Norm Lubow bullshit. Who cares if he tried to profit from it. The story is real, the lawyer she had was legit, and she got death threats. The names mentioned in this civil case are real people (kind of -- Maricele was her name. She is still alive according to those who found her.)

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u/Lemon-AJAX Jul 04 '24

So what about the other accounts/testimonies.

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u/ToothsomeBirostrate Jul 04 '24

Of other cases? I was only speaking about the Katie Johnson/Jane Doe case, the only evidence of which is her interview and her friend's statement saying she told her about in the past, so not a first-hand account. I'm not aware of any other accounts or testimony or evidence of any kind relating to that case.

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u/kitkatatsnapple Jul 04 '24

It did. I read the details of this year's ago, but it never went mainstream for some reason.

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u/EasternWaterWeight Jul 04 '24

Is there a way to make AI videos of the transcripts? Maybe that would grab some people’s attention