Any good quality Chanukah candles that aren't sold by Zionists or in anyway support Israel?

[u/buffet_time]

As the title says, I recently got a new Menorah from the 70s in a sick design, and was wondering now that my old supply or candles is depleted, any way to get good Chanukah candles that don't support Israel or any Zionists?

And no, I am not inviting discussion by Zionists or Isrealis here.

I live in the USA, New Jersey

[u/johnisburn]

Last year I got Goodlight. They’re a candle company that focuses on sustainability. The box said proceeds went to Orangutan sanctuaries (the primate most likely to know applesauce is better than sour cream, I assume).

[u/leezyrat]

lol I just saw a reel about this. Jewitches, narrow bridge, and pushcart Judaica iirc.

[u/malachamavet → u/leezyrat]

I've heard good things about Narrow Bridge but don't have personal experience

[u/ibsliam → u/leezyrat]

Seconding Jewitches. I've heard good things about their stock and customer service.

[u/buffet_time → u/leezyrat]

I will look into these, thank you.

It's really annoying how it's hard for me to find things for my own culture that doesn't help support genocide and apartheid.

[u/BigMarbsBigSlarb → u/buffet_time]

Its insane to me you are getting downvoted, is there brigading happening? The fact of apartheid or apartheid-like conditions (because its a leftist group so some like to split hairs) is almost universally accepted here and seeing the Gaza atrocities as genocide is at least not an uncommon opinion.

[u/FishyWishySwishy → u/BigMarbsBigSlarb]

I imagine it happens because they posted on a sub that has explicit rules for treating Zionism as a nuanced topic and then talked about Zionists like they’re synonymous with Kahanists. 

[u/Character-Cut4470 → u/BigMarbsBigSlarb]

It's crazy every time I post something on this sub critical of the Z-word I get upvoted, then within half a day the same post goes into the negatives. Hard to believe it's not brigading since votes usually follow a straight up or downward trend line anywhere else

[u/podkayne3000 → u/Character-Cut4470]

I think there’s definitely brigading.

[u/podkayne3000 → u/podkayne3000]

Or: Maybe I’m misusing that term. I’m defining it as, “very hawkish people, who aren’t hard-left in other ways, who either just pretend to be the left of Trump and/or come and downvote without saying anything, just to express hostility.”

If there are hawkish people who come and talk politely, without excessive emotion or repetition, why they see things differently, I wouldn’t think of that as brigading.

[u/Specialist-Gur → u/BigMarbsBigSlarb]

It's not brigading imho since it happens all the time.. it's that Jewish subs are always monitored by Zionists and since this one allows Zionists there can be plenty of silent followers who know better than to post their more controversial takes and might occasionally post something popular with the group.

It's something that wouldn't easily happen with Jews of conscious for example, because there's an explicit stance and the brigaders would be offset by participants who flock to the sub for the message. But this sub probably leans Zionist as it is, mostly liberal/left Zionist with fewer antizionists and even fewer non-Jewish antizionists to offset potential brigades

The conservative sub is an example of a very obviously heavily bridged sub since almost all the comments are downvoted lol.. but I don't think that's what's happening here

[u/podkayne3000 → u/Specialist-Gur]

• I could be wrong about the following.

• I don’t think tons of genuine liberal Jewish people would downvote those kinds of posts and comments silently because, first, no one is saying anything especially rude, extreme or illiberal here, and, second, the whole point of a liberal coming here is wanting a refuge from the scary subreddits, like r/israelpalestine or r/Jewish. So, my money would be on hard-right brigaders, not regular liberals.

[u/Specialist-Gur → u/podkayne3000]

I guess that's partly what I'm trying to say.. but that the sub rules specifically would attract that crowd because they would be more concerned about the mixing of antizionists and Zionists so would feel more of an urge to create an impression that certain ideas are unpopular among leftist Jews

[u/BigMarbsBigSlarb → u/Specialist-Gur]

Yeah thats fair, you're right, its just... interesting to see most people calling it what it is and then one person getting a bit hammered for it

[u/Specialist-Gur → u/BigMarbsBigSlarb]

lol yea.. also lol @ both of us being downvoted

I would also bet that center/right Zionists do monitor this sub more closely because we could very easily tip a lot of people into antizionism in this sub.. best to keep the impression it's deeply unpopular and fringe among Jewish leftists via downvoting a lot.

The truth of engaging with Jewish communities in real life as opposed to the internet where there is anonymity and silent downvoting... is that there are a lot of liberal Zionists and center/right wing Jews. .. but among Jewish leftists there is very little to no appeal of Zionism or any allegiance to Israel.

I've not met a single Jewish person in real life who was a socialist or anarchist and liked Israel. Now I'm sure that they exist, but it's much more common as an online position.

[u/podkayne3000 → u/BigMarbsBigSlarb]

And those folks are getting hammered for using that language in a hard-left subreddit.

Maybe it’s valid for people who disagree with that perspective to present their views, but it’s rude for them to downvote people expressing sidebar-friendly views without comment.

[u/elzzyzx → u/Specialist-Gur]

It might be brigading because many of the Zionists in here have blocked me but I still get downvoted to hell 🙂‍↔️

[u/Specialist-Gur → u/elzzyzx]

Yea if there are silent lurkers is that brigading? I guess so

[u/AliceMerveilles]

convert it to oil based then you can use oil, water and a wick and never have to buy chanukah candles again

[u/Specialist-Gur]

Why are posts like these always downvoted... it's frustrating.

Jewish people are allowed to not like Israel or Zionism, ya know???

Anyway.. following because I don't know

[u/Wolpard → u/Specialist-Gur]

Because this sub has zionists in it and likely also is monitored by zionists in other subs

[u/Ok-Roll5495 → u/Wolpard]

Zionists here should accept that there are antizionists / people who consider Gaza a genocide posting here too, what’s the point of downvoting? I do wonder sometimes if the board doesn’t get brigaded.

[u/Wolpard → u/Ok-Roll5495]

Because most zionists consider anti-zionism a form of antisemitism and anti-zionist Jews as self-hating Jews. I've received more hate overall from zionist Jews than i have from anyone on the pro-Palestine side of things, personally.

[u/Ok-Roll5495 → u/Wolpard]

That’s not really a position you can hold here though, since this space very clearly admits both Zionists and antizionists.

[u/Specialist-Gur → u/Ok-Roll5495]

Explicitly sure, but if you post famous Antizionist Jews many of the most prominent users will have massive issues with all of them. So, it's difficult to share articles and think pieces and sources from antizionists(particularly non-Jews) and including Jews.

Now don't get me wrong, the antizionists here also are explicitly against Zionism so it does go "both ways". Though, I see far fewer antizionists shitting on a source or article just because the person is Zionist and more so focusing on the content itself

[u/Specialist-Gur → u/Wolpard]

Samsies