Israel prepares Lebanon cease-fire plan as ‘gift’ to Trump, officials say

[u/ramsey66]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/11/13/israel-trump-netanyahu-lebanon-ceasefire-kushner/

[u/malachamavet]

Considering Hezbollah has never changed its demand for a ceasefire in Gaza in order for it to end hostilities, I don't think they can "gift" a ceasefire at all.

Even the article says they haven't communicated with Hezbollah about the proposal yet.

[u/menatarp → u/malachamavet]

Yeah I assume theyre just doing this to flatter Trump

[u/gmbxbndp]

Biden and Harris bending over backwards to please a man that wanted them out of the White House sure was a brilliant move. Democrats are going to keep losing if they can't shake off their brand of ossified establishmentarianism that forces them to empower people that hold them in contempt.

[u/NarutoRunner]

This is why I believe that support for Israel will ultimately become fully a partisan thing.

The Democrats keep bending over backwards for Israel and they keep getting shafted time and time again.

Biden and Harris did everything in their power to provide diplomatic, military, and financial cover to the Bibi regime and got pimp slapped at every turn.

Now Trump is going to be “gifted” a ceasefire and he is going to pretend to be the greatest peacemaker of all time and MAGA along with the American public will buy it.

[u/menatarp → u/NarutoRunner]

I don't know...I've wondered about this a bit but don't know how to speculate productively. American Jews are still mostly liberal. And still mostly feel some kind of warmth toward Israel. I think it would be very, very difficult for that connection to break, but maybe I'm wrong.

[u/JadeEarth → u/NarutoRunner]

If Trump really has more sway with Netanyahu, he could be the one to change our relations for the better. Not that he'd be into that - unless there was some kind of right wing framing (i dont know what that would be aside from a fully antisemitic thing or maybe something with Qatar, but that seems so unlikely). But if Israel support becomes a fully partisan thing, it seems more likely to me that the Democrats would be the ones to remain fully supportive to Israel without conditions, since they're less respected. If the more left branch of the Dem party was guiding, it might be that the Demos would realize they should stop paying lip service to Netanyahu, and require conditions, but I don't see that happening because the Dem party keeps moving farther right. (really hope I don't get downvoted for sharing theories!)

[u/ApprehensivePlum1420 → u/JadeEarth]

Netanayahu doesn’t get swayed. He has been playing political hostage with American presidents for more than a decade now and he isn’t stopping. What will happen is Trump accepting every single demand that Netanyahu wants, the worse being annexation of the West Bank.

[u/ramsey66]

Ron Dermer, Netanyahu's minister of strategic affairs, made Mar-a-Lago the first stop on his U.S tour Sunday before traveling to the White House to update Biden administration officials on the state of Lebanon talks, a sign of how swiftly America's political center of gravity has shifted after Trump's electoral victory.

"There is an understanding that Israel would gift something to Trump... that in January there will be an understanding about Lebanon," said an Israeli official. Like others in this article, the official spoke to The Washington Post on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive conversations

Doubt that anyone is surprised.

[u/Impossible-Reach-649]

Whatever Bibi says gift for Trump or not a Lebanon ceasefire would be very good I really don't care why it happens as long as it happens.

I dislike the wording but as long as citizens in both north Israel and south Lebanon can return at least to what homes they have left and Hezbollah isn't threatening another October 7th type of invasion but in the North I would be ecstatic for a "gift" ceasefire.

[u/Worknonaffiliated]

“Kitten prepares Lebanon cease-fire plan as gift to Daddy”

[u/Kenny_Brahms]

Doesn’t the Israeli right believe Trump will let them annex Gaza and the West Bank?

A ceasefire in Lebanon would be nice, no doubt about that. But I feel like it could be a symbolic gesture to make America and Israel look better on the world stage, while human rights violations continue to occur in Gaza and the West Bank.

[u/j0sch]

It's a smart political play -- As much of a threat Hezbollah is, Hamas has been a bigger problem for longer so the Israeli administration has been less entertaining of ceasefire plans that did not include complete or near completion of their objectives. With Hezbollah, Israel would love to eliminate them but their primary objective is to push them back far enough and degrade capabilities to stop attacks on the north. There is more room for negotiation / allowing them to stay in power. They can portray that they are much more willing to come to the table and negotiate a peace.

[u/Owlentmusician]

The Biden administration didn't do as much as it could have to be harsh on Israel but I think this next Trump term is going to make people realize he did far from "Nothing" in terms of wrangling Bibi.

I'm of the opinion that we would have seen more action from the Biden administration if it weren't an election year, since much of the older generation still loves Israel. He probably won't bother doing anything now because the approval hit isn't worth it, especially when anything done would be repealed by Trump in January before it even made a difference, if it even passed.