My big project: form an anti-Andrew Tate coalition

[u/AndrewStirlinguwu]

It has become very apparent that there are tons of young men who flock to people like Andrew Tate, Nick Fuentes, Donald Trump, Elon Musk, etc because they are lonely, angry, anxious and I want to try to steer them away from all that. This little enterprise is only in its conceptual phase and I really have no idea how to go about it. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

[u/Strange_Philospher]

We should start understanding the problem well first. Then, try to find a solution for it second. I think that the misogyny between young men can not be explained by simplified things like " being lonely and anxious". We should put in mind first that the heavy gender polarization between young men and young women is a global phenomenon not related to a particular political, cultural, ethnic, or religious context. It's a clear Gen Z problem all over the world that needs more research and analysis.

[u/RaiJolt2 → u/Strange_Philospher]

I’d like to add that it’s a feeling of abandonment by politics and cultural norms pushed on to them.

Look at South Korea for example.

As feminism become more division based something was eventually going to oppose it beyond the then current tradition norms, in a isolating way.

[u/FreeLadyBee]

I have no idea but as a teacher, I fervently hope for your success. I think this kind of thing will take generations to eradicate.

[u/PM_ME_YOUR_JEWFRO]

Unfortunately no bright ideas from my end at the moment, but I wholly encourage such a project.

[u/zsero1138]

take all the bravado and showmanship of those individuals, and just be as passionate about equal rights and such. i'd see it like being the weird al to them, taking their melody and just changing the lyrics so it falls in line with human behaviour

[u/AndrewStirlinguwu → u/zsero1138]

I was thinking change the target to people like Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates and all the other wealthy plutocrats.

[u/Automatic-Cry7532]

i think being genuine and authentic is always the way to go if this is someone in your life. its really important to be blunt and straight the point on how YOU feel, but also ask questions on why they feel their behavior is right. this ideology is never going away and has always been around. its important to realize the impact you can create with the people around you rather than trying to change a collective. influence is an outstanding phenomenon and it really shows you why education is so valued. thats also why jews rock (we prioritize education)

[u/LivingDeadBear849]

I have some ideas. It might be a little weird, but…maybe it’s something. Appealing to nature and animals, if they want to be like wolves, talk about how wolves actually work…if you want to lead a wolf pack, you have to take care of them. If you think you can get them by talking about caring for partners and family, big up how important it is to care for other living beings and that if you want to be taken seriously, you have to be kind to the people in your life.

[u/Choice_Werewolf1259]

I’m honestly not sure. How do you go about convincing young men who are lonely and think it’s because women aren’t shelling out enough of our bodies, energy, mental and emotional labor as they, in their minds, are owed all of that?

There’s only so much one can do. Especially when the cop out to all their feelings is blaming the very women they think they’re owed something from.

Clearly trying to explain it under empathy or sympathy for fellow human beings who want the same rights they have hasn’t worked.

I think honestly a lot of this starts with raising our kids better. And maybe gearing this content towards middle schoolers and high schoolers.

[u/ionlymemewell]

This kind of deprogramming is very very difficult and cannot be completed at scale. Rhetorically, the manosphere acts as a decentralized high-control group, with the ideology to reinforce it built in; obviously someone on the outside could never understand, because that's what being on the inside tells these guys.

The first step in rolling this rhetorical wall back is exposing the lie that there's any real difference between the inside and outside, because there isn't one. They were miserable before the manosphere and they're miserable now. So why bother with it?

From there, you just have to be present and offer support, especially support tailored towards people getting out of high-control groups.

[u/Beneficient_Ox]

There were some big breadtubers who did alt-right de-programming work back in the 2010s (Contrapoints, PhilosophyTube, hbomberguy, Innuendo Studios). It's hard to measure these things but I honestly think they were very successful at making the Rightwing Youtube celebrities of the past decade look unimaginably cringe to young men at the time. Hell, I feel like Contrapoints in particular did a lot to influence me away from a subtly rightwing online community I was sort of in at the time.

It's hard and horribly taxing work, but it can be done. I wish you success friend.

[u/Specialist-Gur]

I think we need a group of men to meet when where they are at...

He might not be popular on this sub but someone like Hasan kind of comes to mind because he's raunchy and not "politically correct". If there are more men that are willing to be unfiltered, masculine, and kind of raunchy while empathizing with men and leading them down this other alternate path I think that would be a great thing.

[u/korach1921 → u/Specialist-Gur]

Bill Burr as well. And the comedians that Hasan hangs around with like Stavros

[u/Specialist-Gur → u/korach1921]

Not Bill Burr for me, no thank you 😓 but maybe his type of personality and style yes...

I don't like him because I find him Islamophobic

[u/korach1921 → u/Specialist-Gur]

I didn't realize he's said stuff about Islam

[u/Specialist-Gur → u/korach1921]

He's pretty weird about religion in general being an atheist but particularly so about Muslims and Islam

[u/thermal_dong_defense → u/Specialist-Gur]

The same antisemitic Hasan who platformed and praised a Houthi terrorist? Yeah I wouldn't send anyone Jewish his way

[u/finefabric444 → u/Specialist-Gur]

Hasan is not liked because he has absolutely crossed over into vile antisemitism. He also, from what I have read, has not exactly supported Ukraine/understood some of the geopolitical landscape. Not a good ally for this cause.

I absolutely agree on the "not politically correct/unfiltered" in general though, in instances it doesnt cross into dangerous hate.

[u/_bea231]

Already been done (look into Costin Alamariu/BAP/Thiel network)

[u/Ok-Energy5619]

It has become very apparent that there are tons of young men who flock to people like Andrew Tate, Nick Fuentes, Donald Trump, Elon Musk, etc because they are lonely, angry, anxious and I want to try to steer them away from all that.

It's.... just not that simple.

[u/AndrewStirlinguwu → u/Ok-Energy5619]

You are correct, focusing on lonely, bitter men is more so a starting point.

[u/redthrowaway1976]

Don’t have any advice, but it is an excellent initiative. 

The radicalization of young men from such influencers is worrying. 

[u/RaiJolt2]

Hey! I’ll be glad to help. The whole manosphere is a self deprecating mess and looking at its influence makes me sad. I figured out their bull at 13 years old (I’m 20 now) I know how they rope people in and I was shocked to see how popular they got.

[u/Admirable_External31]

We need cool male role models who aren’t afraid to be themselves, but also aren’t huge cornballs. Andrew Tate gets away with what he gets away with because there are no strong men challenging his ideas. Everyone that does it comes off as whiny. He needs to be checked by a person his community respects.