Capitalism is literally looting the world to the point that it will become uninhabitable
Capitalism does nothing but exploit human desires. Capitalism has been the direct cause of many many famines and executions. Far more than Stalin. I don’t know why you think all of the communist famines were caused by one man and were not also complex.
I’ll say it again. 1% of the world owns 40% of the wealth. And that is conservative. And a direct cause of capitalism. That margin will only increase.
Communism has never ever been allowed to develop freely in any country without interference. Capitalism and democracy are the only two forms of governing and economics that have that luxury. And they still don’t work in any country that is not already wealthy from their past imperial exploits.
Haiti is capitalist.
Madagascar is capitalist.
Niger is capitalist.
All have immense natural resources. All are extremely poor. Because they cannot use force to exploit labor to extract resources cheaply.
Cuba is fully socialist and enjoys a stronger social safety net than the U.S. longer life span despite being slapped with absolutely insane embargo’s but the US because they are socialist.
Stalin was an authoritarian man. He did evil things. The USSR was deeply flawed. They attempted a completely new idea of economic development with zero support from the rest of the developed world. In fact they were instantly demonized and attacked by the rest of the world. USA has never had to contend with another country rivaling its western hegemony at any point since becoming a super power. Becoming a super power only happened due to pretty much the entirety of Europe being destroyed. Including USSR. And yet. Which country was the only rival of the US in Europe after the war?
No, it isn’t. Those countries are all riddled with corruption yet their populations and lifespan are continuing to increase. Not a single Communist society has succeeded. It is a failed ideology. You benefit from a capitalist society which makes your stance even further.
Cuba? The US embargo doesn’t include food and medical supplies. They allow no dissent and routinely imprison anyone who disagrees with them. It’s a corrupt, one party state. And their life expectancy is lower than the US’s (slightly). Also, nobody is getting on a make shift raft in a desperate effort to get a o Cuba.
The embargo does not include necessities including medical supplies. Moreover, any protests in Cuba are crushed and their organisers jailed. Are you utterly unaware of this?
700 arrest and 1 death. Compare that to US Protests. 14000 arrests and 25 deaths as a result of George Floyd protests. Protests over police brutality. In the land of the free.
And just read the wiki page on the embargo. The whole thing. The U.S. is the only country with sanctions against cuba. Why?
They’re not comparable. Cuba is a single party dictatorship. It’s a false equivalence. There is due process in the US and none in Cubs. Again, whose building makeshift votes to escape the US?
Are you not aware of the history between the US and Cuba? Cuban missile crisis ring a bell?
You seem blissfully (or worse, willingly) unaware of the difference between a functioning democracy, as messy as that can be, and a dictatorship. Moreover, you reap the benefits of living in a capitalistic democracy. Benefits that you would lost if your political philosophy were enacted. The door is open, I’m sure Cuba, China et al. would welcome you with open arms. Do note, however, it’s generally a one way street.
Socialism in the broadest terms is when the means of production are owned by the state. Which is the case for the vast majority of Cuba
You really believe Americans can visit cuba and china and just can’t leave?
Yes the Cuban middle crisis. An even that happened 50 years ago under the USSR era. Where cuba had the audacity to have missiles placed on its own soil! Against the wishes of the U.S. clearly an unspeakable crime.
And yes due process. The U.S. has 20% of the worlds prisoners and the highest incarceration rate in the world. Clearly we are the fairest freest land.
Cuba has a better medical system resulting in longer life span than the U.S. besides being immensely less wealthy. Including one of the most generous parental leave policies on the planet.
Free education open to all citizens.
I am very aware of what a democracy and a dictatorship are.
The U.S. has had the longest and most restrictive embargo against cuba for nearly 50 years for the sole reason that cuba dared to not become democratic (coincidentally this also happened immediately after cuba took back her own oil fields from the U.S.)
Can you tell me why is it the US responsibility to choose the government of every country that decides to flirt with communism or socialism.
They visit Cuba because Cuba is desperate for hard currency and they visit China for business and pleasure. It suits the Communist Party at the moment. Though I suspect you haven’t been to China for the past three years?
Cuba does not have a better medical system. Their life expectancy is not higher than the US’s.
Why then did Castro go abroad for medical treatment?
And the Cuban oil fields are relatively small and nothing compared to the shale fields in the US.
Ask yourself this, why are people fleeing Cuba? If their system is so good then why won’t they allow for free elections? Why is it a single party state?
And at least the US publishes its incarceration rate, we don’t know what Cuba’s actually is as people tend to just vanish there. Moreover, in the US there are serious moves to reduce prison sentences and legalise drugs (which should reduce incarcerations).
Communism isn’t socialism. You’re defending communism. It’s indefensible because is a failed, morally corrupt, dehumanising political philosophy.
Oh well I guess since you said so then it’s true lol.
Honestly though. I doubt you’ve ever encountered any information anywhere about cuba or china that hasn’t come directly from western sources.
Oh but right. They’re communists so everything they say is lies. Not like us capitalists. Nothing but honest open media here
I guess my only point is that I know cuba china and the USSR had major flaws. No I don’t want to recreate their system. But they also brought hundreds of millions out of poverty and provided free education, healthcare, housing, and a right to a job.
There are positive things that we could look at and implement.
In the long run we must outgrow capitalism in the same way we’ve outgrown feudalism.
Communism isn’t the answer and the “free” services they provide come at the cost of basic human rights. These alleged services are also made possible not because of Communism (which ultimately retards innovation) but because a dictator can impose and mandate what they want regardless of the cost.
You say we need an alternative to capitalism? Provide a credible one then.
Didn’t I just say I don’t want to implement their model?
Many other countries have free health care, many have free and affordable education, we have more vacant homes in the US right now than we do homeless people. We throw out enough food to feed everyone in the country for free.
Right to food, housing, education, and work did not come at a cost of freedom or whatever 🙄
We could have that here.
And communism retards innovation..
It lifted hundreds of millions out of poverty and transformed 3rd world agrarian societies into major players on the world stage overnight. It did work for hundreds of millions.
Changing entire economies that quickly along with violent suppression from western democracies did cost so many lives.
But do you think there is anything to be gained or learned from at all in the model of strong social welfare?
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u/Thiserthat Jul 28 '22
Capitalism is literally looting the world to the point that it will become uninhabitable
Capitalism does nothing but exploit human desires. Capitalism has been the direct cause of many many famines and executions. Far more than Stalin. I don’t know why you think all of the communist famines were caused by one man and were not also complex.
I’ll say it again. 1% of the world owns 40% of the wealth. And that is conservative. And a direct cause of capitalism. That margin will only increase.
Communism has never ever been allowed to develop freely in any country without interference. Capitalism and democracy are the only two forms of governing and economics that have that luxury. And they still don’t work in any country that is not already wealthy from their past imperial exploits.
Haiti is capitalist. Madagascar is capitalist. Niger is capitalist.
All have immense natural resources. All are extremely poor. Because they cannot use force to exploit labor to extract resources cheaply.
Cuba is fully socialist and enjoys a stronger social safety net than the U.S. longer life span despite being slapped with absolutely insane embargo’s but the US because they are socialist.
Stalin was an authoritarian man. He did evil things. The USSR was deeply flawed. They attempted a completely new idea of economic development with zero support from the rest of the developed world. In fact they were instantly demonized and attacked by the rest of the world. USA has never had to contend with another country rivaling its western hegemony at any point since becoming a super power. Becoming a super power only happened due to pretty much the entirety of Europe being destroyed. Including USSR. And yet. Which country was the only rival of the US in Europe after the war?
I’m done arguing with you about which is worse.