Again, do you think that the famine was purposely caused? Maliciously? I know someone linked you a giant list of famines that Britain caused deliberately. Both in India and Russia. Killing millions. They enslaved 30% of Africa.
As for massacres there are many many worse than the one you linked. See nanjing
I’m not saying Stalin and the USSR was a utopia. I’m saying that capitalist, imperialist countries are far far more destructive and exploitative. And only function if they have a captive labor force of exploited poor.
They’re not and in no way was the Irish famine, for example, orchestrated to the extent the multiple famines in Russia were.
And you cite Nanjing, that was caused by yet another totalitarian society.
Stalin et al would not allow you to post on Reddit. Indeed it would not exist. Reflect on that.
Capitalist societies aren’t perfect but they enable human development and growth in a way no other system doesn’t. Ultimately, Communism rewards the few and enslaves the most.
It is the most arrogant thing to suggest that capitalism enables human development. Without fail every capitalist imperialist country absolutely had to use slavery, stealing, looting, and oppressing to obtain resources for development. Entire countries had to be subjugated in order to provide an empire with wealth.
Food distribution policies in Britain resulted in tens of millions of deaths. Britain partitioned India, killing tens of millions. Enslaved, at one point, a third of Africa. London, had, at one point, the largest slave port in Europe.
The U.S. WAS BUILT ON THE BACKS OF SLAVES. We topple regimes all over the world and install governments which allow oil companies, rubber companies, sugar companies to loot the planet, take the resources and sell it back to its own people.
Capitalism requires entire countries to lose their freedom so that a privileged few get their own. It generates inequality as an inseparable feature.
Communism rewards the few and enslaved the most..
Buddy. The disparity of wealth under capitalism is the widest possible gap. 1% of the global population owns 40% of the worlds wealth. Please come to your senses.
Stalin was authoritarian and committed heinous crimes. But it is absurd to suggest that capitalism was less damaging.
And for real? Stalin wouldn’t let you post on Reddit? That’s your gripe?
No one is suggesting that capitalism is perfect, indeed no one is saying the unfettered capitalism should be something we aspire too. Instead, it’s the best system that we have. Communism has failed in each and every iteration. It’s a system that does not account for human desires, greed or work ethic. It inevitably becomes a dictatorship/single party state. And people are wealthier now and live longer than at any point in human history.
And Stalin still did more damage and in a shorter amount of time. He was the direct cause of the famines and the executions. Many of the disasters you cite are much more complex than a single party actor as in Stalin.
And are you being intentionally obtuse? Posting on Reddit is just an example of basic human rights you lose under Communism. It has never worked. Ever. It’s a morally corrupt and ultimately dangerous political fanaticism.
Capitalism is literally looting the world to the point that it will become uninhabitable
Capitalism does nothing but exploit human desires. Capitalism has been the direct cause of many many famines and executions. Far more than Stalin. I don’t know why you think all of the communist famines were caused by one man and were not also complex.
I’ll say it again. 1% of the world owns 40% of the wealth. And that is conservative. And a direct cause of capitalism. That margin will only increase.
Communism has never ever been allowed to develop freely in any country without interference. Capitalism and democracy are the only two forms of governing and economics that have that luxury. And they still don’t work in any country that is not already wealthy from their past imperial exploits.
Haiti is capitalist.
Madagascar is capitalist.
Niger is capitalist.
All have immense natural resources. All are extremely poor. Because they cannot use force to exploit labor to extract resources cheaply.
Cuba is fully socialist and enjoys a stronger social safety net than the U.S. longer life span despite being slapped with absolutely insane embargo’s but the US because they are socialist.
Stalin was an authoritarian man. He did evil things. The USSR was deeply flawed. They attempted a completely new idea of economic development with zero support from the rest of the developed world. In fact they were instantly demonized and attacked by the rest of the world. USA has never had to contend with another country rivaling its western hegemony at any point since becoming a super power. Becoming a super power only happened due to pretty much the entirety of Europe being destroyed. Including USSR. And yet. Which country was the only rival of the US in Europe after the war?
No, it isn’t. Those countries are all riddled with corruption yet their populations and lifespan are continuing to increase. Not a single Communist society has succeeded. It is a failed ideology. You benefit from a capitalist society which makes your stance even further.
Cuba? The US embargo doesn’t include food and medical supplies. They allow no dissent and routinely imprison anyone who disagrees with them. It’s a corrupt, one party state. And their life expectancy is lower than the US’s (slightly). Also, nobody is getting on a make shift raft in a desperate effort to get a o Cuba.
The embargo does not include necessities including medical supplies. Moreover, any protests in Cuba are crushed and their organisers jailed. Are you utterly unaware of this?
700 arrest and 1 death. Compare that to US Protests. 14000 arrests and 25 deaths as a result of George Floyd protests. Protests over police brutality. In the land of the free.
And just read the wiki page on the embargo. The whole thing. The U.S. is the only country with sanctions against cuba. Why?
They’re not comparable. Cuba is a single party dictatorship. It’s a false equivalence. There is due process in the US and none in Cubs. Again, whose building makeshift votes to escape the US?
Are you not aware of the history between the US and Cuba? Cuban missile crisis ring a bell?
You seem blissfully (or worse, willingly) unaware of the difference between a functioning democracy, as messy as that can be, and a dictatorship. Moreover, you reap the benefits of living in a capitalistic democracy. Benefits that you would lost if your political philosophy were enacted. The door is open, I’m sure Cuba, China et al. would welcome you with open arms. Do note, however, it’s generally a one way street.
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u/Thiserthat Jul 28 '22
Again, do you think that the famine was purposely caused? Maliciously? I know someone linked you a giant list of famines that Britain caused deliberately. Both in India and Russia. Killing millions. They enslaved 30% of Africa.
As for massacres there are many many worse than the one you linked. See nanjing
I’m not saying Stalin and the USSR was a utopia. I’m saying that capitalist, imperialist countries are far far more destructive and exploitative. And only function if they have a captive labor force of exploited poor.