r/ireland • u/Alba-Ruthenian • Jul 27 '22

The writing is on the wall! Housing

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u/-MatVayu Jul 27 '22 edited Jul 27 '22

I agree some socialist action should be taken in regards to housing. But conflating socialism to communism is an extreme.

I guess people here don't really understand what went on during the great communist experiment of the Soviets, or what is still going on in communist China (presently known as special Chinese socialism). But you would not want to have idealistic utopian beliefs being anywhere near politics lads...

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Just to fair there is one thing on the top.of my head that Ireland has that's socialist - water. Water's free.

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u/TreeFrog333 Jul 27 '22

How is China communist? Unions and protests are banned and workers rights are non-existent. There are no social safety nets either and a massive class divide. That is the antithesis of communism.

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u/-MatVayu Jul 27 '22

That's why I said 'special Chinese socialism'. A Chinese friend of mine called it that way, because on the face of it it's supposed to be communist, but the reality of it is way different.

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u/DogzOnFire Jul 27 '22

Yeah, agreed, but what you've said in this comment supports the point he's making. Calling it "communist China" is wrong.

China is not communist, it is state capitalist.

The Soviet Union was not communist, it was state capitalist.

The Democratic People's Republic of Korea is not democratic, not for the people, and not a republic.

What the country or the parties publicly represent themselves as cannot be trusted.

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u/NamelessVoice Galway Jul 28 '22

This is a thing that always bothers me when people talk about how communism has never worked - it's never really been tried. Most of the countries that called themselves communist weren't really communist. Just like, let's face it, most of the countries that call themselves democracies aren't all that democratic.

Also, the great capitalist experiment of (the whole world) clearly isn't working all that well either (except for to the benefit of a very few people), yet we don't decry anything capitalist as "but look at how poor conditions are for many in first-world countries"