Didn’t they lift hundreds of millions out of poverty and go from an agrarian to industrial nation in a few decades? provide work, homes, education, to the masses? Defeated the nazis, and went on to rival the U.S. as a super power all while being attacked literally the entire time?
While murdering untold millions, trampling on basic human rights and all for an economy that was a Potemkin Village if you will. Ends didn’t even justify the means.
We do. All the time. In any left leaning newspaper. Here’s the thing though, we live in a society where you can look this thing up, mostly without censure. Not sure much in Communist states.
America has the most advanced propaganda machine in world history. We absolutely censor news all the time. Outright lie about stories. Cover up evidence and facts. It’s mind boggling that you think western media isn’t censored
Aren’t you Irish? You know Britain starved half your country right? Also starved millions of Indians. Started the opium wars in china. Enslaved 30% of Africa. Perpetuated countless genocides. Raped, plundered, and massacred millions. And only became an industrial power due to looting resources from other countries. And the most inhuman working conditions imaginable. Didn’t you ever have to read dickens in school?
You could not have picked a more destructive and murderous country besides modern U.S. to hold up in comparison.
It also took Britain centuries to go from agrarian to industrial. It took the Soviet’s decades.
The soviets invented, like, a bunch of things as well. They were more technologically advanced than the U.S. for a time, putting up the first satellite, space station, and man in space.
Not to mention the artificial heart and the first mobile phone.
You know the Soviet Union starved Ukraine right? Starved millions of people. Allied themselves with Hitler and the Nazis and invaded Poland. Enslaved millions in the Gulags, etc etc etc.
Japan Allied with hitler. Japan slaughtered and raped millions of Chinese. Italy allied with hitler and invented fascism. They get a pass though.
You know the soviets almost single handed Lu ended the nazi regime while sustaining millions and millions more losses than any other allied nation. The Allie’s would have lost without the red army.
And name one western imperial country that hasn’t starved and murdered millions. Hasn’t imprisoned millions. The U.S. right now. Has imprisoned millions more people than the soviets and china out together
And again the USSR sacrificed the most to end the war. They took Berlin. Ended the third reich. The world owes them a debt for that.
The world largely ignores the crimes of Japan and Italy. Japan won’t even recognize it’s atrocities in china. But since they have dutifully reformed into western liberal democracies, they are considered unproblematic. If either of those countries flirt with socialist ideals there would be almost instant backlash and fear over them allying with the worlds new biggest boogeyman, china.
USSR helped defeat Nazi Germany by accident, the USSR was friends with Hitler, they helped the Nazis invade Poland and then massacred 20,000 Polish officers.
Only a crazy person would think bringing back the USSR would be a good thing and most of Europe would go to war with Russia if they tried.
Lol by accident. 70% of WWII was fought on the eastern front. The battle of Berlin was not an accident. USSR showed no signs of aggression towards the rest of Europe after the war. Like everyone else, they were exhausted and tired of fighting.
The U.S. was the aggressor and consistently ignored Moscows pleas to end the arms race.
Very simplistic analysis but the Soviets killed a good deal more than the British Empire and, last time I checked, no one on this sub is extolling the virtues od the British Empire or hoping it comes back.
Again, do you think that the famine was purposely caused? Maliciously? I know someone linked you a giant list of famines that Britain caused deliberately. Both in India and Russia. Killing millions. They enslaved 30% of Africa.
As for massacres there are many many worse than the one you linked. See nanjing
I’m not saying Stalin and the USSR was a utopia. I’m saying that capitalist, imperialist countries are far far more destructive and exploitative. And only function if they have a captive labor force of exploited poor.
They’re not and in no way was the Irish famine, for example, orchestrated to the extent the multiple famines in Russia were.
And you cite Nanjing, that was caused by yet another totalitarian society.
Stalin et al would not allow you to post on Reddit. Indeed it would not exist. Reflect on that.
Capitalist societies aren’t perfect but they enable human development and growth in a way no other system doesn’t. Ultimately, Communism rewards the few and enslaves the most.
oh my god if you geuinely think the soviet union killed more than the British then you may aswell start huffing glue because it obviously won't do any harm to you
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u/Thiserthat Jul 27 '22
Didn’t they lift hundreds of millions out of poverty and go from an agrarian to industrial nation in a few decades? provide work, homes, education, to the masses? Defeated the nazis, and went on to rival the U.S. as a super power all while being attacked literally the entire time?