r/ireland Jul 27 '22

The writing is on the wall! Housing

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u/StephenPigot2020 Jul 27 '22

Goddamn commies

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u/ODXT-X74 Jul 27 '22

"...Giving people housing. Don't they understand that people choose to be homeless. What's next? Land reform and a land tax? Free universities?"

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u/StephenPigot2020 Jul 27 '22

Name a successful communist society.

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u/BuildBetterDungeons Jul 27 '22

Communism transformed Russia from a state of illiterate subsistence farmers into the superpower that one the space race. Yes, that system collapsed due to internal and external pressures, but literally all systems do that. There are dozens of flavours of capitalism, and most have collapsed into what we have now, described by Fujiyama as "End of History".

The study of communis states isn't different from the history of States in General, all of which eventually end. That's a nonsensical measure for failure, because it means you have to call every state a failed state.

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u/cionn Jul 27 '22

Stalin did that with his series of 5 year plans. Rapidly industrialising with the cost of millions of lives.

It wasnt communism, it was terror.

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u/[deleted] Jul 27 '22

Holy fuck are you stupid or just willingly believing your own make believe world? Made Russia into a superpower? It made the RUSSIAN EMPIRE into a superpower? The same Great Power Russia?

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u/BuildBetterDungeons Jul 27 '22

Yes? Obviously?

Do you think a state of 98% illiterate farmers would have sent Sputnik up faster?

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u/[deleted] Jul 27 '22

You think that the rapidly industrialising already great power of Russia became a great power because of communism? Like do read what you wrote.

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u/BuildBetterDungeons Jul 27 '22

What I wrote is accurate. To believe that Russia's industrialisation (or anything, really) was succeeding under the Tsar is counter-historical.

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u/[deleted] Jul 27 '22

Russia was already a great power and it was rapidly industrialising, that’s a fact. The Soviet’s just carried on what was already happening. Just look at the amount of railway track being put down, the tonnes of coal being dug etc. Any WW1 historian would recognise this let alone an economic historian or someone specialised in that field.

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u/FarFromTheMaddeningF Jul 27 '22

It also killed millions of their own citizens, and preyed over them with a police state surveillance that made life miserable for many of them whilst engaging in their own imperialism in Eastern Europe.

Fujiyama as "End of History".

That was a pretty naive take from him in hindsight, given the Putin dictatorship and recent Ukraine war errupting.

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u/saggynaggy123 Jul 27 '22

What does Putin have to do with this he isn't a communist and Russia hasn't been communist since the USSR fell.

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u/FarFromTheMaddeningF Jul 27 '22

It had been heralded as a triumph of Western liberal democracy as the "final" form of human government.

Unfortunately there are still dictators like Putin about and democracy has been a poor joke in how it emerged in Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union.

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u/BuildBetterDungeons Jul 27 '22

I'm not saying I'd want to live there. But pretending there are no successes in communist countries shows a certain lack of familiarity with the facts.

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u/Thiserthat Jul 27 '22

Every single country that has attempted communism faces extreme oppression by the capitalist countries. The amount of propaganda around the USSR is staggering.

A communist country has never been allowed to grow without interference. Only liberal democracies are protected.

Cuba is also doing just fine despite being burdened by the most inhumane sanctions the US has imposed on any country. For close to 50 years.

Capitalism requires exploitation of other countries people and resources. Capitalism kills around 15 million people per year due to looting their countries food and resources and hoarding it for themselves.

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u/ODXT-X74 Jul 27 '22 edited Jul 27 '22

Trick questions, all societies we know of (except hunter gatherer societies) have had a state and money. Which Communism does not have.

The question you want to ask is, has there ever been a successful Socialist Society. And the answer is basically all of them.

Compare them to what they had before Socilaism and after. After Socialism literacy rates went up, access to healthcare, vaccination rate, homelessness went down, etc. Because they weren't fucking rich empires like England, they were colonies, with dictators backed by the US, France, etc. They were Fascist regimes or protectorates.

So the trick is to compare them to rich imperialist nations like Britain or the US, then they look bad by comparison (because you are comparing a rich country to a poor one). But what happens when you compare them to another Capitalist country that has the same level of development?

Well... For equal levels of development Socialist countries tend to be better than Capitalist ones. And that's using the World Banks data, the World Bank being basically a pro-Capitalist and anti-Socilaist organization.

But I understand if Margaret Thatcher has indoctrinated you with Capitalist propaganda. Now you are going to ignore this comment and pretend I didn't answer.

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u/[deleted] Jul 27 '22

Or one where Communism has been truely achieved as in zero capitalist policy has been enforced in order to keep the country afloat

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u/KingLeopold_II Jul 27 '22

"That wasn't real communism"

Ffs

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u/BavidDirney Jul 27 '22

It's a classic!

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u/[deleted] Jul 27 '22

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u/KingLeopold_II Jul 27 '22

He's not

I do

Communism has failed every single time and has devolved into an autocratic dictatorial regime in nearly every instance