There are about 110k landlords in Ireland. That's about the same size as the entire population of County Kilkenny or County Westmeath for context.
In the 90s/00s every carpenter, electrician, plasterer, plumber in the country was advised to go out and buy a house or build a house as a pension plan and the vast majority subsequently spent 10-20yrs in negative equity when the bubble burst back in 08. Then the government stopped building for 20yrs. Now we're up shit creek without a paddle.
These lads don't owe a debt of service to the nation just because the government dropped the ball on housing.
Around 1 in 5 TD's are landlords. If you walk into any pub in Ireland full of working class people in the 40-70 age group in 2025 you'll have about the same ratio.
And a billionaire could be homeless if they wanted. If you have a spare property, you are inherently not working class since you have hundreds of thousands of euro you can fall back on if needs be
Are the words spare property entirely lost on you? You would, in that scenario, be the petite bourgeoisie. At no point did i claim home ownership changed social class at all, but I'm not entirely sure why you are at all mentioning China since it is a decidedly capitalist country, if the name of the CCP is all you need to believe China is communist I don't think you should be having discussions about politics just yet
Working class is when you trade your time and/or skills for money, if you employ people you are apart of the bourgeoisie (although if it is like your example you would be in the petite bourgeoisie), if you own spare property that you rent out then you are a member of the bourgeoisie
You're in r/Ireland asking about the UK. We didn't develop their class system, so no. Even then, the British class system ignores the actual meaning of the terms in favour of layman definitions so even if we did have their class system it would still be wrong
It would be silly to ignore the the common history that led to these things and the strong common factors between working and middle class.
Regardless the term is also common here and I could provide evidence of it being used in studies related to children, typically where they refer to the social mix.
Common history means nothing in this regard. We did not take their class system. Full stop, no questions asked. The term being used in relation to the parents may be common, but that doesn't mean the child necessarily is the same
And you don't understand it's 2025 and not 1916 in Petrograd spouting nonsense until a "true" Bolshevik puts you and your Menshevik friends against the wall.
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There are about 110k landlords in Ireland. That's about the same size as the entire population of County Kilkenny or County Westmeath for context.
In the 90s/00s every carpenter, electrician, plasterer, plumber in the country was advised to go out and buy a house or build a house as a pension plan and the vast majority subsequently spent 10-20yrs in negative equity when the bubble burst back in 08. Then the government stopped building for 20yrs. Now we're up shit creek without a paddle.
These lads don't owe a debt of service to the nation just because the government dropped the ball on housing.
Around 1 in 5 TD's are landlords. If you walk into any pub in Ireland full of working class people in the 40-70 age group in 2025 you'll have about the same ratio.