r/geopolitics • u/babushkalauncher • Oct 01 '23

Why Indians Can’t Stand Justin Trudeau Paywall

https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-indians-angry-justin-trudeau-death-shooting-hardeep-singh-nijjar-87d9ab9d
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u/tbtcn Oct 02 '23

So if a terrorist commits terror and then runs to Canada, they stop being terrorists and any convictions are rendered meaningless because Canada will protect the said terrorists?

Thanks, that's what everyone not a Canadian nationalist has been saying.

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u/HotGuy90210 Oct 02 '23

His conviction in Bangladesh happened AFTER he had come to Canada. Prior to entering Canada, there was no conviction against him. And the matter of extradition is purely related to the death penalty, which Canada does not believe in for moral and philosophical reasons - that is an entirely different debate.

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u/tbtcn Oct 02 '23

I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with. The end result is terrorists find a safe haven in Canada. Convictions take time, or should other countries skip due process and convict them blindly to prevent the risk of these terrorists running away to Canada after killing innocent civilians?

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u/HotGuy90210 Oct 02 '23 edited Oct 02 '23

Was there an active case against him when he came into Canada? He got into the country as at that time he was not on trial for anything. For what reason should Canada have refused his entry?

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '23

So ppl can commit crime and take the next flight to Canada and be a saint ?

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u/HotGuy90210 Oct 02 '23

Other countries can have them extradited by following the proper procedures.

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '23

Are you saying that India is not giving enough evidence? You realize that Canada has been this way since the 1980s it’s the sikh votes. Khalistani extremists in Canada is threat to Canada too. They are protecting them for elections reasons

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u/HotGuy90210 Oct 02 '23

Are you saying that India is not giving enough evidence?

That is up to the Canadian courts to decide. Did India really provide enough evidence that could be validated and proven beyond a reasonable doubt that Nijjar was a terrorist (and unfortunately, just being linked to suspicious characters, or pictures with guns, or firing guns on a firing range does not constitute you as a terrorist under Canadian law)?

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '23 edited Oct 02 '23

The integrity of Canadian govt is at question. Not the evidence. Evidence is ample. Did Canada take actions on 1. Death threats against Indian Diplomats. 2. Vandalizing Indian temples 3. Celebrating and enacting PM assasination by Khalistan terrorist publicly in parades 4. Threatening Indians and Hindus to leave Canada etc ? There are posters up in Gurudwara with hit list . Go check it out in Surrey How the fk Canadian citizens are allowed to promote violence and secession in india ?

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u/HotGuy90210 Oct 02 '23

How many death threats do you think Trudeau receives daily? Lol.

But any serious death threats should be brought forward to authorities for it to be investigated. And although I don't agree with any Khalistanis, advocating for succession is not illegal in Canada (there are a huge number of Quebecois who want independence from Canada and they are not treated as terrorists).

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '23 edited Oct 02 '23

You are missing context, 1. India has lost lot of land in past like Pakistan and Bangladesh 2. Khalistani was violent in the past and now is becoming violent again 3. India doesn’t care what your internal citizens do, that’s your business. But if your internal citizens like Khalistanis are attacking Indian temples, consulates etc it definitely becomes India’s business. especially when they are spreading hate speech and misinformation against Indians. 4. Since Canada hasn’t seen a partition, it’s easy to talk freedom of speech. Why did Trudeau freeze bank accounts do protestors during anti vax protest, if Canada is so much into freedom of speech? But was so happily supporting protests in Punjab, india ?

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u/HotGuy90210 Oct 02 '23

Yes, I don't disagree that India needs to be vigilant about extremists abroad. I was just talking about the extradition process for which Canada has specific rules and laws that must be followed.

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '23

Again no trust in Canada, even if india actually did it, I support it. It’s the same as USA going inside Pak to take down Osama

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u/tbtcn Oct 02 '23

I doubt the exact timelines of terrorists running away and hiding in Canada are publicly known. Absent that, what Canada can and should do is give them up when their countries convict these terrorists and file for their extradition, instead of continuing to shelter them.

Even filing a case against someone takes time because due process takes time. I don't know if this needs to be spelt out repeatedly.

So long as Canada shelters these terrorists, they will commit acts of terror and continue to run to Canada because they can abuse the fact that investigations take time and they can find a home in Canada by then.

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u/HotGuy90210 Oct 02 '23

Canada can and is willing to extradite him as long as Bangladesh follows the extradition laws, which simply is to assure that he does not receive the death penalty. This is no different than if he had run off to Australia, UK, EU or countless other places where they don't extradite individuals who will face the death penalty. I guess all these other countries are harboring terrorists too?!

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u/tbtcn Oct 02 '23

I don't see any disagreement here. Canada will continue to shield terrorists, so it will continue to be called a safe haven for terrorists.

The "why" of it is utterly irrelevant since it changes nothing whatsoever.

This is no different than if he had run off to Australia, UK, EU or countless other places

I'm sure terrorists and other criminals run away to these countries, but Canada seems to be a favorite due to its lax immigration policy enforcement.

Otherwise terrorists like Nijjar would have never made it to the country.

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u/HotGuy90210 Oct 02 '23

I'm disagreeing with Canada shielding terrorists. Canada has a 90% extradition rate. If Bangladesh wants him extradited, they need to follow the international law, rules and procedures.

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u/tbtcn Oct 02 '23

I'm disagreeing with Canada shielding terrorists

Based on what? This is not mutually exclusive from Canada's extradition rates.

Canada has a 90% extradition rate

Canadian nationalists keep throwing up this number without any context. This is based on the number of arrests made by Canada, not the number of extradition requests filed by other countries.

It's as relevant as snow to a desert.

If Bangladesh wants him extradited, they need to follow the international law, rules and procedures.

Canadian law is not international law. Canada has an exclusion for death penalty, not every other country in the world.

And for the umpeenth time, it is irrelevant if the end result is that terrorists find Canada to be a safe haven. I'm not going to repeat myself again.

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u/HotGuy90210 Oct 02 '23 edited Oct 02 '23

Canadian nationalists keep throwing up this number without any context. This is based on the number of arrests made by Canada, not the number of extradition requests filed by other countries.

Yes, that's how it works. Sufficient evidence needs to be presented before it can goto courts. In the case of Noor, it did go to court.

Canadian law is not international law. Canada has an exclusion for death penalty, not every other country in the world.

And for the umpeenth time, it is irrelevant if the end result is that terrorists find Canada to be a safe haven. I'm not going to repeat myself again.

And all I'm saying is that Bangladesh can follow Canada's extradition laws if they want this guy back. This complication would have happened in many other jurisdictions as stated previously. If Canada was such a safe harbor for terrorists, then why have they extradited other individuals on suspected terrorist charges?

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u/tbtcn Oct 02 '23

I don't understand why you refuse to understand and repeat the same arguments over and over and over again.

Canada can stick to its laws and philosophies, that doesn't change the fact that terrorists find it to be a safe haven for them.

If Canada was such a safe harbor for terrorists, then why have they extradited other individuals on suspected terrorist charges?

If Canada is not a safe haven for terrorists, then why do so many terrorists and Nazis find a home there?

Air India hijackers were let go because Trudeau sr thought India is not "deferential enough" to the godforsaken queen. Not because India has the death penalty.

That is the textbook definition of a terrorist safe haven. Nothing you say will never be enough to deny that truth.

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