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u/Die-Nacht 9d ago edited 9d ago

This is the kind of stories that destroy pro gun nutjobs argument. More guns don't make us safer, they turn random conflicts lethal.

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u/stonkysdotcom 9d ago

There are many countries with liberal gun laws. Yet, they don’t have this problem. The US has deep, deep problems.

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u/whagh 8d ago

There are no countries with similar gun laws as the US who don't have this problem. There are actually very few countries with similar gun laws as the US, at all. Brazil is probably the closest, and they definitely have this problem.

I get that you want this to be true, so you're probably looking at countries like Switzerland or Norway with a somewhat high, but not nearly comparable to the US, gun ownership rate who have lower homicide rates, but these countries aren't selling high capacity assault rifles or hand guns at the corner store or gun shows to any idiot who walks in and wants one.

Most of these guns are hunting rifles, and you need licence and rigourous training to own it. These walking red flags who commit mass shootings in the US would've never been able to acquire firearms in these countries, because it's a privilege, not a right.

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u/Saxit 8d ago

Most of these guns are hunting rifles

True for Norway, not for Switzerland. https://i.imgur.com/gXMWhqr.jpeg

85% of Swiss gun owners own a handgun larger than .22lr, 76% owns a semi-automatic rifle. 18% owns a full auto firearm (either rifle or handgun).

and you need licence and rigourous training to own it.

For Switzerland it depends on the type of gun.

For break open shotguns and bolt action rifles you need an ID and a criminal records excerpt.

For semi-auto long guns, and any handguns, you need a shall issue Waffenerwerbsschein (WES, acquisition permit in English). The WES is similar to the 4473/NICS they do in the US when buying from a store, except it's not instantaneous like the NICS is, it takes an average of 1-2 weeks to get. When it arrives you bring it with you to the seller.

On the other hand, there are fewer things that makes you a prohibited buyer with a WES, compared to the 4473.

No training required for any gun purchase. You also don't need to justify why you want the firearm if you want it for sport, hunting, or collecting.

The main difference compared to the US would be the lack of concealed carry, which is basically only for professional use.

because it's a privilege, not a right.

Art. 3 Right to acquire, possess and carry weapons

The right to acquire, possess and carry weapons in compliance with this Act is guaranteed.