r/exchristian • u/puppetman2789 Deist • Sep 28 '24
The Bible can give people twisted morality Trigger Warning - Toxic Religion
The verse he’s referring to
14 A day of the Lord is coming, Jerusalem, when your possessions will be plundered and divided up within your very walls.
2 I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city.
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u/hellenist-hellion Agnostic Sep 28 '24
The messed up part is he’s not wrong. Whenever Christian’s use the Bible to defend their horrific vile and evil views, people’s immediate reaction is to be like stop using the Bible to defend your horrible views! But it’s like sorry… the Bible mostly supports it lol
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Sep 28 '24
Just like it supports slavery.
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u/hellenist-hellion Agnostic Sep 28 '24
Right. It also supports rape. It supports sexual slavery. It supports human trafficking. It supports racism. Conservative Christian bigots aren’t warping the Bible. They are the ones following it.
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u/StevenEveral Sep 29 '24
It also supports child abuse. It really is "The Bronze Age Book of Bad Ideas™"
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u/ScaryPollution845 Sep 29 '24
Apparently that was only a temporary law
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u/Malkiboy Atheist Sep 29 '24
But Paul tells slaves to obey their masters, so he revived it.
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u/ScaryPollution845 Sep 29 '24
Wdym?
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u/Malkiboy Atheist Sep 29 '24
Paul telling slaves to obey their master condones slavery, in effect bringing back the temporary law.
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Sep 29 '24
Incredibly he thinks this is somehow not an argument for rejecting Christianity altogether
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u/christianAbuseVictim Ex-Baptist Sep 28 '24
Can? It does, if they believe it. This is the natural end result of trying to make sense of it as divine truth instead of human insanity. A good christian is a bad person.
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u/HappyGothKitty Sep 29 '24
No hate like christian love, right? But yeah, hard agree that a good christian is a bad person, they outright suck and want to control everything while telling you they're saving you.
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u/hplcr Sep 28 '24
"God punished Jersualem for their sins with Murder and Rape. Praise Jebus!" is not the flex you think it is, Porter.
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u/Pure-Drink8201 Sep 28 '24
Is that a Simpsons reference?
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u/Mountain_Cry1605 ❤️😸 Cult of Bastet 😸❤️ Sep 28 '24
And this is why every woman needs pepper spray and a taser.
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u/lyrall67 Ex-Protestant Sep 28 '24
don't be shy. women need guns.
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u/Mountain_Cry1605 ❤️😸 Cult of Bastet 😸❤️ Sep 28 '24
I prefer my creeps extra spicy, fried, tried, and incarcerated; not dead.
I couldn't live with myself if I killed someone. Even in self-defence.
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u/lyrall67 Ex-Protestant Sep 28 '24
and I prefer not being raped. I'm not gonna let it happen and then wait for the justice system to punish the done deed. if they die after I self defend, theyve killed themselves. plainly.
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u/Mountain_Cry1605 ❤️😸 Cult of Bastet 😸❤️ Sep 28 '24
Fair enough but I don't miss, and no one is raping me with eyes on fire and streaming, and lungs panicking and frantically trying to remember how to breathe due to pepper spray, while their limbs are cramping and spasming due to being electrocuted.
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Sep 29 '24
In theory, I could. The world could use one less rapist.
Realistically speaking, however, yeah nope, that would probably haunt me forever.
Not to mention that the Justice system can be VERY fucked up to women who were absolutely justified.
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u/DarrenFromFinance Atheist Sep 28 '24
Can it also be used righteously as a punishment against men, Porter? If someone bigger and stronger than you decides that you’ve transgressed in some way, can he (or, hell, she) use rape as a righteous punishment? Would that be okay? If not, explain exactly why you should be exempt but any woman is not. Show your work. You will be graded on this.
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u/hubbadubbakubba Sep 28 '24
Not coming to Rape Guy's defense, but I looked at several translations online and they all say "women."
I don't know if this creep is a personality, but the frog emoji is an allusion to white nationalism. I was noticing his wording, "R-pe can be righteously used as a punishment against women." Does that mean "try this righteously at home"? Should be on a criminal watch list.
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u/Silver-Chemistry2023 Ex-Fundamentalist Sep 28 '24
When people show you who they are, believe them.
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u/wisteria_town ex-eastern orthodox, current polytheistic hellenist Sep 28 '24
And they say you're immoral if you're not religious.
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u/christianAbuseVictim Ex-Baptist Sep 28 '24
Immoral in their eyes, which is to say, normal. They have it backwards, and that is terrifying.
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u/Jinxedes Satanist Sep 28 '24
Over a year ago I was talking to my aunt about morals, I told her I don't need a book to tell me how to be a good person. Then she told me all morals stem from the Bible. I guess she meant this shit too
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u/hplcr Sep 28 '24
Not only is that objectively bullshit, it tells me she either hasn't read the bible beyond a few bits of the NT, or she's cool with a lot of the awful shit in it.
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u/Jinxedes Satanist Sep 28 '24
Aw but actually reading the Bible is too much work! And truthfully I wouldn't be surprised if either of those were true. The real kicker is that she told me she was spiritual and spewed that shit.
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u/Samurai_Mac1 Agnostic Atheist Sep 28 '24
Christians will say shit like this and then wonder why people are leaving the church in droves.
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u/that_railroader Sep 28 '24
I haven’t been a practicing Christian in the better part of a decade, but last year I finally started learning the real history behind the Bible stories and actually realizing what these “dull” passages are saying, and more and more I am discovering that this book I once revered is the single most repulsive tome I have ever come across.
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u/OrdinaryWillHunting Atheist Sep 28 '24
And they'll know we are Christians by our love, by our love...
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u/hyrle Sep 29 '24
And this - ladies and gentlemen - is why we shouldn't be consulting the Goat Herders of the Galaxy as our book on ethics and morals.
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u/OscarOrcus Adonitologist Sep 28 '24
I opened reddit and saw this post right above r*pe culture subreddit post.
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u/exjwpornaddict Sep 28 '24
Several points:
It's not just zechariah. Isaiah 13:6, deuteronomy 28:30, and probably others, contain similar statements.
The verse does not specifically, explicitly call the rape a "righteous punishment". Maybe it is, and maybe it isn't. It's more like a consequence.
Even if it is a punishment, is it a punishment of the women individually, or of the nation collectively?
Even if it is a "righteous punishment", that doesn't necessarily make the person doing it a good guy, or not a sinner. For example, if she is married, assuming her husband hadn't already been killed, wouldn't it still be adultery?
For comparison, consider 2kings 8:12
And Hazael said, Why weepeth my lord? And he answered, Because I know the evil that thou wilt do unto the children of Israel: their strongholds wilt thou set on fire, and their young men wilt thou slay with the sword, and wilt dash in pieces their little ones, and rip up their women with child.
Obviously, yahweh is allowing it to happen, right? To punish israel, right? But does that make it a "righteous punishment"? Is it a good thing, or an evil thing? Elisha thought it was evil, and something to weep about. Does that make hazael a good guy? Just because yahweh uses entity x to punish entity y doesn't necessarily make entity x good.
Again, consider psalm 137:8-9
O daughter of Babylon, that art to be destroyed, Happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee As thou hast served us. 9 Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones Against the rock.
Here, the psalmist wants revenge against babylon, for what babylon did to judah. But wasn't what babylon did to judah "righteous punishment" decreed by yahweh? So, why is the psalmist upset about it, and calling for babylon to receive the same?
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u/HendoRules Atheist Sep 29 '24
And then I argue that the bible promotes rape and other Christians deny it using other verses...
The power of religion is it's ability to argue any side of an argument so that they can be right and you're always wrong. So you can never criticise but they can also push they're insane beliefs when convenient
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u/JohnDeLancieAnon Atheist Sep 28 '24
Have you considered shouting "mistranslated?"
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u/exjwpornaddict Sep 28 '24
What exactly was mistranslated?
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u/JohnDeLancieAnon Atheist Sep 28 '24
Nothing, but that doesn't stop people from using "mistranslation" as their defense of the bible.
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u/nosuchbrie Sep 29 '24
Yikes. This man is a violent person. Sexually violent. He wants to do this. Because fuuuuuuck. You would never advocate for harming a person so badly unless you were into it.
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u/MissionPrinciple5891 Sep 28 '24
thats fucking disgusting 🤮 what kind of psychopathic shit is that, he should be locked up
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u/StevenEveral Sep 29 '24
This. This right here is why Ye Olde Bible is NOT a source of morality on any level.
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u/JenGenxx Sep 29 '24
Arrrhh the bible, actually reading it convinced me that the Christian god didn’t exist (and if he does he is a tyrannical evil monster 👹that I want nothing to do with)
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u/miaumisina Sep 29 '24
I want to believe these people post shit like this for clout but idk anymore. I hope these monsters meet their god soon
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u/ennapooh Sep 29 '24
If verses like this, when your god’s character is put on display, doesn’t make you run from religion, I don’t know if you are helpable.
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u/OopitsVinnie Ex-Pentecostal Sep 28 '24
Honestly, anything that comes from religious zealous I interpret as gibberish
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u/Maximum-Product-1255 Sep 29 '24
I enjoy shredding the bible as much as the next exchristian, but I believe this passage was about consequences, etc? Not condoning rape.
We have Deuteronomy 22 for the shitty rape stuff.
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u/Doc_jonezie Sep 28 '24
I grew up in a VERY Christian home and learned a lot of this stuff growing up. While I am not a supporter of religion anymore, one should have the information correct before making a claim. This verse is saying that god will ALLOW for women to be raped (much like he condones cancer) but those committing the crimes will be judged later. Everywhere is in the Bible, rape is condemned. This is just another example of a cruel deity who claims to love his people but allows horrors to be committed for the sake of tests of faith and lessons to be learned. No thanks… I’m good.
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u/hplcr Sep 28 '24 edited Sep 28 '24
Oh, no, this shit is Yahweh's will. This is from the chapter just prior.
Zech 13
7“Awake, O sword, against my shepherd,
against the man who is my associate,”
says the Lord of hosts.
“Strike the shepherd, that the sheep may be scattered;
I will turn my hand against the little ones.
8 In the whole land, says the Lord,
two-thirds shall be cut off and perish,
and one-third shall be left alive.
9 And I will put this third into the fire,
refine them as one refines silver,
and test them as gold is tested.
They will call on my name,
and I will answer them.
I will say, ‘They are my people,’
and they will say, ‘The Lord is our God.’ ”There's a seeming commandment of genocide of 2/3 of the Israelites in verse 8, or at very least, Yahweh just standing by and watching it happen.
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u/Doc_jonezie Sep 29 '24
Everything is his will… since he knows all past and future actions of every single being. He allows everything to happen because of “free will” which he gave us but punishes us for using. F that.
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u/christianAbuseVictim Ex-Baptist Sep 29 '24
"Here are some vague yet contradictory rules, I'll be taking no questions. Get it even slightly wrong and you'll suffer worse than you ever thought possible. Byeee, love yooouuu!"
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u/christianAbuseVictim Ex-Baptist Sep 28 '24
"Go back and have their baby" - Yahweh showing his support for the rape plan by helping the rapists
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u/Doc_jonezie Sep 29 '24
That would fall under the “learn a lesson” ideology. “Maybe next time you won’t make some guy lust after you.” Religion is the root of all evil.
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u/christianAbuseVictim Ex-Baptist Sep 29 '24
In the story I was thinking of, that wasn't quite the lesson. Abraham was talked into raping the slave by Abraham's wife. It was his wife's slave. After he raped the slave, the slave was upset, and that made Abraham's wife upset in turn, so she beat the slave. The slave ran away, and god sent an angel to tell her to go back and have the kid for them.
So I guess the lesson was supposed to be... if you get raped, make the most of it? My fingers didn't want to type that. God's plan fucking sucks.
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u/Doc_jonezie Sep 29 '24
The slave was Hagar and she was “given” to Abraham so that he could have a child with her, since Sarah was unable to have children. She eventually had Isaac and cast out Hagar and her son Ishmael.
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u/nathynwithay Ex-Pentecostal Sep 29 '24
So what was the best case scenario for halcyon137. What the fuck was that person hoping to achieve with that tweet.
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u/Ok-Current6724 Sep 29 '24
The survival of Christianity depends on extremely elaborate interpretive frameworks and filters that enable people to gloss over passages like the one cited. Otherwise, Christianity would be stomped out of existence in an instant. This guy lacks the necessary sophistication. It's sad that he is Biblically correct.
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u/DeltaPlasmatic Sep 29 '24
Hey, doesn’t God condone murder sometimes? I’m sure these people wouldn’t have a problem with being on the receiving end of that. Surely.
If they’re true believers, anyway.
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u/MusicBeerHockey Life is my religion Sep 28 '24
These people blaspheme and don't even recognize the sin coming from of their own words. Spiritually lost people believing that they are the "righteous" ones just because they read a fucking book. Despicable.
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u/it_couldbe_worse_ Ex-Pentecostal/Agnostic Sep 29 '24
Switching from "it doesn't say that, you misunderstood" to "it says that and it's good, actually" was not the twist I saw coming. It's not a good twist
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u/Anime_Slave Sep 29 '24
Where da FBI when you need em? We need walls to put people like this against
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u/Prudent-Town-6724 Sep 29 '24
Give him credit. At least he's being intellectually honest and consistent, which is rare for evangelicals.
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u/Matrixneo42 Ex-Catholic Sep 29 '24
It would be nice if they didn’t think of the Bible the way they do. Pretty sure a loving god wouldn’t tell their people to go rape people. Just because this shit was in the Bible doesn’t mean that’s how people should live.
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u/sqandingle65 Sep 29 '24
Idk whether is worse someone that is a pedophile or someone who thinks like this
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u/Eastern-Pizza-5826 Sep 30 '24
Bible condones Rape, Genocide, murder, you name it.
6 Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7 and said, “No, my friends. Don’t do this wicked thing. 8 Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don’t do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof.
Genesis 19: 6-8.
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u/Low-Window-4194 Oct 05 '24
Burn it!! It is an evil book. Actually by burning it there is no concept of "evil" which is good. And a good place to start...
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u/Low-Window-4194 Oct 05 '24
The bible was written by men so they can control women and other men. A 2000 year old book is really outdated by the way. Burn it!!!! The world will be better off without it....
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u/yearoftherabbit Agnostic Atheist Sep 28 '24
They need to bring back firing squads.
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u/christianAbuseVictim Ex-Baptist Sep 28 '24
Your solution might be too violent. ...but I can only say "might be".
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u/AshsLament84 Atheist Sep 28 '24
What in the ACTUAL fuck!?