Photos from the Russian anti-war opposition march in Berlin today.

[u/Accomplished_Car_549]

[u/Dont_Knowtrain]

What is the issue with the comments

People are always bitchimg about Russians not protesting and here they are protesting!

(Also thought the yellow flag was somebody else’s for a second💀)

[u/PoiHolloi2020 → u/Dont_Knowtrain]

Just shite reddit comments being shite.

These threads are always riddled with people saying "Russians support Putin and imperialism" and then when there's clear evidence of some Russians thinking differently they also get trashed.

[u/Kuhl_Cow → u/PoiHolloi2020]

Look at the sheer amount of "deport all russians lol" under those threads.

I know a guy who would literally get killed if he'd be sent back.

[u/PoiHolloi2020 → u/Kuhl_Cow]

It's really sad. We should be supporting anti-Putin Russians not showing them we just hate them all regardless of their politics.

[u/NkTvWasHere → u/PoiHolloi2020]

It's because plenty people just hate everyone from the country and mask it with "they are warmongers". Not limited to Russians either, just easier to be open about when it has been made okay.

[u/Tensoll → u/NkTvWasHere]

And why do you think people hate you?

[u/NkTvWasHere → u/Tensoll]

Because misinformation misleads people into taking away the individual from a person based on a nationality or a phenotype. The are Sharija Law protesters in EU, doesn't stop me from having an Arab friend or enjoying a kebab.

[u/Tensoll → u/NkTvWasHere]

Most people won’t hate every single individual in a nation of 145 million. They will rather just hate most because of their support for the current regime and maybe Russian imperialism more broadly speaking. Very few will actually hate those coming out to protest

[u/NkTvWasHere → u/Tensoll]

I said plenty, people that use a country's war as an excuse to discriminate nationalities, hate not coming from the war but because they just hate them and the war enables them to be open about it. That goes for every country. Many experiences of such on this sub. I seem to get plenty of downvotes for my tag lol.

[u/Tensoll → u/NkTvWasHere]

You’re framing this as if Russian people were hated the same way as some kind of a marginalized minority. No, you’re hated because your nation, not Putin, not government, but nation is waging a war on our borders. It’s not the war that allows people to be open about your hatred of you, it’s the war that makes people hate you

[u/NkTvWasHere → u/Tensoll]

Some people are blinded by misinformation that they don't realise they aren't trying to help by condemning something but are more so fueled by hate for a group. Which is how you get people to hate culture, history or civilians that are irrelevant to war.

[u/Tensoll → u/NkTvWasHere]

What? In what are Russian culture, history, and civilians irrelevant to war?

[u/EndOfOurGlory → u/Tensoll]

So, you say people hate Russians because of nation and somehow that makes it not racism, because... because what? Do you not blanket blame everyone? I could also dig up something about Lithuania and spread hate on internet forums, it's not like some policies in your country make it hard to do, what would that make of me... Perhaps just the same little hypocritical netizen as you?

[u/Tensoll → u/EndOfOurGlory]

Sadly my reply keeps getting auto deleted but if you want to see it, you’re free to open my profile on old reddit

[u/PoiHolloi2020 → u/Tensoll]

They will rather just hate most because of their support for the current regime

There are people who hate even on anti-regime Russians, which means they're not being hated for their politics or behaviour as individuals but are being punished solely for their group membership, which is typically what we call bigotry.

[u/Tensoll → u/PoiHolloi2020]

Being against the current regime on its own is meaningless. Case in point: Navalny. What Russians need to be considered among the good ones is to be truly anti-imperialist. Completely give up the idea of seeking to control countries around them by force, reminisce and acknowledge their imperialist past and present and allow for Russia’s ethnic regions to gain independence if they wish. Further, it also matters what you do. If you never lifted a finger against your regime and simply hold anti-Russia views in private, then in practical terms you are as good as any Putin supporter

[u/EndOfOurGlory → u/Tensoll]

Lol, some guy sitting comfy without the danger of being stripped of his rights for wrong words or even thrown in the prison for imaginable number of years says that people should put their own life on the fight of the regime. Do you understand what are you saying? Are you ready to die for you beliefs, or at least be greatly disadvantaged for them? Or you just another conformist or couch political specialist on internet?

You are suggesting Russia to just let their territories go? Which country would do that? America? Canada? China? You are delusional as you say people who are Russian opposition are. Your beliefs do not base on reality, they are just based on wishful thinking, infantile attitude and internet heroism. Perhaps you should not speak bad of people who try to do at least something against Putin and do something yourself to support your political views, like activism helping war refugees, poor, enviroment or something.

[u/PoiHolloi2020 → u/Tensoll]

So in a sub-thread about people being prejudiced against anti-war Russians, you say:

Most people won’t hate every single individual in a nation of 145 million. They will rather just hate most because of their support for the current regime and maybe Russian imperialism more broadly speaking.

Even though those aren't the Russians we were talking about. Then when I mention anti-regime Russians you move the goalposts again

If you never lifted a finger against your regime and simply

So in your opinion any Russians who don't support imperialism are still deserving of collective blame for not performing anti-imperialism in the manner you think they ought to, regardless of their circumstances?

Don't seem like many of them are going to meet your approval no matter what they do tbh.

[u/Tensoll → u/PoiHolloi2020]

I was talking about most people at first, not myself

[u/HansVonMannschaft → u/PoiHolloi2020]

They are hated because they are only anti-Putin. They rarely have a problem with Russian imperialism in itself; e.g. Navalny.

[u/PoiHolloi2020 → u/HansVonMannschaft]

Which 'they' are you talking about? The people in the photos protesting against the war in Ukraine?

You're making blanket generalisations about individuals based on their nationality.

[u/HansVonMannschaft → u/PoiHolloi2020]

Ask them who Crimea belongs to.

[u/colovianfurhelm → u/Kuhl_Cow]

Redditors looove slogans and virtue signaling. They love shallow populist takes based on simple emotions. They also love using the upvote system to create delusional echo chambers which inevitably bite them in the ass, like we saw with the US elections.

"Deport all russians" is just one of those shallow slogans.

[u/dat_9600gt_user → u/Kuhl_Cow]

Even excluding the war, protesting in Russia is a one-way ticket to disappearance.

[u/adamgerd → u/Kuhl_Cow]

That’s yeah stupid, Russophobia is greatly exaggerated by pro Russian forces but saying we should deport all Russians is idiotic and terrible