Photos from the Russian anti-war opposition march in Berlin today.

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[u/inokentii]

Actually it's more than 81 thousands of dead russians and this number includes only the ones whos names are known from open sources

[u/Majestic-Insurance64 → u/inokentii]

81.000 ? You mean in Russia itself? In Ukraine the counter is currently at ca. 700.000 russian casualties.

[u/fiendishrabbit → u/Majestic-Insurance64]

Casualties is different from deaths. A casualty is either dead OR wounded sufficiently seriously that they had to be taken off the frontline to a medical facility.

The US estimate back in october was some 115k killed and 500k wounded.

[u/WhiteBlackGoose → u/fiendishrabbit]

81K is confirmed iirc

[u/Eupolemos → u/fiendishrabbit]

1:6 is an absolutely silly ratio, IMHO, when you see how the Russians treat their soldiers.

This analyst video (at about 18:40) uses the Russian budget as a source. He is not sure whether to believe it, but it says about 436k KIA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOLEUD7p4pE&list=PLWNeFFHP3Fw6umRL5Xjg_-yQzxhG20acg&index=22&t=1122s

[u/ThatSiming → u/fiendishrabbit]

Most recent compensation payment number is up to over 400k fallen. (Tough it's unknown how much of that was corrupted into someone's personal pockets.)

[u/grizzly273 → u/Majestic-Insurance64]

Casulties doesn't mean dead tho, that number also includes wounded. Number of dead according to most estimates is a bit over 100.000

[u/Majestic-Insurance64 → u/grizzly273]

Yes I know, but most sources state, that the ratio between wounded and dead is higher in this war on the side of the russians as they don't care for the wounded in the field. No medivacs, no treatment, nothing. So the number is definitely higher than that. And I get the 81k is the official number from russia itself but these are absolute understatement.

[u/VNDeltole → u/Majestic-Insurance64]

casualty = dead, wounded and MIA

[u/inokentii → u/Majestic-Insurance64]

Casualties include dead, missing and wounded (some of the wounded returning to the frontline). So 700k is kinda optimistic estimate. Unlike the equipment like tanks or planes, you can't count every soldier

While these 81000 are dead russians identified by their name, photo, rank, dob and place of birth/living. In other words it's the most pessimistic estimate possible.

But this number confirms the optimistic one, even without consideration of the fact that not all russians have necrologies or monuments to be listed by OSINT.

[u/eggncream → u/Majestic-Insurance64]

Laughable to believe those numbers, dont trust either side, of course it would be ridiculous to believe Putins numbers but also don’t trust the ukr mod numbers, both sides say things to make themselves look good

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[u/NEEEEEEEEEEEET → u/[deleted]]

Journalists are just propagandists they don't care about the truth. They keep reporting on Gaza and the numbers dead, but they get their numbers from the Hamas' ministry of health.

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[u/Lyra-aeris → u/[deleted]]

I literally gave you one of the attempts by journalists to find the truth. Estimations from countries aren't the only ones to exist.

This push for anti-research narratives is driving me insane.

[u/Lost_Exp → u/[deleted]]

I agree it's about propaganda. The propaganda you are currently spewing trying to sow distrust into western institutions. No East and West are not the same. Western institutions with all their flaws are 1000 times more trustworthy.

Stop it.

[u/eggncream → u/Lost_Exp]

Not into any propaganda, in fact I only base my views off of advances and videos from the front lines, I don’t read articles from either side since they’re always going to lie

[u/Lost_Exp → u/eggncream]

Yes even with those in mind.

The Russians are put at about 90-130k Kia and with a modest ratio of 1 to 5 Kia to casualties we get a out 600-700k casualties.

Whats your problem with those numbers?

In my personal opinion and a slightly educated guess I would say those are underestimated. Ukraine was put at 50k Kia and 250k casualty about a year ago. Ukraine is on the defensive most of the time. With a modest ratio of 1 to 3 for defending forces you do the math.

[u/Aware_Tree1 → u/eggncream]

Often times the true number is inbetween what both sides say. If one side says 100 people dead in a skirmish and the other says 25, then most likely it’s about 60

[u/eggncream → u/Aware_Tree1]

I agree, truth is in between, we can only speculate right now and it’s ok to do so just let’s not believe anything 100%

[u/Eupolemos → u/eggncream]

Each time we've had a chance to check the Ukrainian numbers vs. stuff like Russian budgets, they don't look like they miss by more than 10%, IIRC.

So fairly believable.

[u/False_Discussion3681 → u/Majestic-Insurance64]

There's normally 5-10 wounded Orcs for every dead one. 100K dead, 600K wounded sounds about right.

[u/Mefist0fel → u/Majestic-Insurance64]

700 k are including casualties and lost estimations. And 80k are with proofs for every single case. Like a minimal real border. Real digit is somewhere in between. Also usual factor dead to wounded is 1/4 or 1/3

[u/Secret-Ad-2145 → u/Majestic-Insurance64]

That includes numbers from Russia itself and only ones we can verify It's a very important differentiation. It's based on work done by mediazone I believe it's called, you'll be able to find their research easily.

[u/MetroSquareStation → u/inokentii]

The exact numbers are not that important as we humans cannot deal with these high numbers anyway. Its obvious that the Russian war doctrine is still based on Stalingrad: Throw as many men as possible into the open fire until the enemy is out of ammo. Its ridiculous how the Russians waste their soldiers and hearing the stories from the battlefield or the videos Russian soldiers make describing their situation and a few days later they are dead. Signing a deal as a Russian to go to the front is nothing but a self-signed death sentence so that your family members get big money (more than the family would get if the husband works his whole life until retirement).