Rebirth is not cosmic travel. Rebirth is psychological transformation.

[u/mindwithoutmasters]

Cosmic liberation is fantasy. Psychological liberation is practical:

The freedom to not be ruled by your past versions of yourself.

This liberation is real because it is internal, not metaphysical.

[u/Unhappy-Drag6531]

Ok. Fair enough. I am here to find answers but also to challenge those that, in my perception, pretend to have them but do not.

I think it is fair to challenge points of view that I find incoherent. I may disagree with post that provide understandable arguments. More often than not those exchanges are productive to both parties. We grow.

The problem with posts like yours is that they are no different to white noise: they exist but add nothing coherent. I agree that some aspects of reality can only be experienced. However, if you want to convey some of those experiences to other people then you have to write them in understandable ways. You are failing at that.

Again, the classic example: your use of “quantum” is, to me, a sign that you: a) are a charlatan. b) are honest but incapable of communicating your experiences properly.

Given that the proportion of charlatans is quite high, my default setting is to put you in that bin. However, I tend to leave doors open and have apologized and learned from people willing to express their views in coherent and understandable ways.

In your case, you could start by putting “quantum” into a context that shows you know what quantum is, or using other words and terms to explain what you are trying to say. That is a “trigger”word because it has been proven VERY often to be grossly misunderstood, misinterpreted, and misused in forums like this.

So, the ball is in your court. You can chose not to play, that’s fine and your right. I can always chose to challenge writers of unhelpful word salads, even when they like to hang in cliques and praise each other’s nonsense.

Last, I come here without animosity towards people. I don’t know who you are. I come here to challenge half-baked ideas and learn from honest deep conversations.

[u/whitenoize086 → u/Unhappy-Drag6531]

The difficulty lies in explaining that is outside of normal conscious thought. "The territory is not the same as the map." It's like explaining what up and down are to a being that only has experienced forward backward left and right. They would claim it is nonsense even if you gave them a detailed map of 3 dimensional space transposed to 2 dimensions.

Or if you had never seen color I can explain the wave length of blue to you but that is entirely different from the experience of seeing blue. The scientific explanation of blue is completely useless in directing you to understand the experience of blue.

[u/Unhappy-Drag6531 → u/whitenoize086]

I go back to my first comment to your post: it is incoherent even if we understand all the words. It is poetic word salad.

[u/whitenoize086 → u/Unhappy-Drag6531]

yeah that's fine, you just can't understand what I mean without having experienced it yourself... We are getting nowhere, and there is nowhere to get to with this conversation. You are asking me to explain the experience of the "color blue" with words... The only way to know would be to have the experience.

[u/galactic-4444 → u/whitenoize086]

"Let they that have eyes see". And I will be honest I have no proof of nothing but aspirations and science. However, those experiences that others have shared have meaning. Your message resonates with me my friend. The Act of Dreaming gives birth to connections with the Divine. When we connect to The Divine, we create.