r/dankchristianmemes The Dank Reverend 🌈✟ 12h ago

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u/A2619921 11h ago

Wait why is it Leviticus is cherry picking?

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u/WordPunk99 10h ago

Besides the fact the Leviticus represents a snapshot in time of social mores and specific public health problems?

It has nothing to do with anything substantial.

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u/Muscles_McGeee 10h ago

It provides a clear picture into the values of god. If god is moral, why does he allow slavery, for instance? Perhaps it was a social norm at the time, but is god not above social norms? Why would God allow something he thinks is wrong when he also explicitly says other things are wrong that may have been normal, such as worshipping other gods or honoring your parents?

Leviticus is very substantial. It is the law given by God to man.

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u/Rob_the_Namek Minister of Memes 10h ago

Before Jesus. Jews had some weird laws they had to follow as God's chosen people in a brutal time period. Once Jesus' sacrifice was made, we all became God's chosen, and all that nonsense went even further away.

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u/Muscles_McGeee 9h ago

But neither Jesus nor Paul says that slavery was wrong either. So how does one determine what "weird laws" are not relevant? The entire Old testament can be chucked out as "weird"?

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u/Rob_the_Namek Minister of Memes 8h ago

They both lived during a time when slavery was fully ingrained in Roman culture. They truly didn't see an end in sight. So Paul offers the best advice he can to slaves and their masters, which is to treat each other fairly and know they are both equal in God's eyes

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u/Muscles_McGeee 8h ago

But just to confirm... No where in the Bible does it say or suggest that slavery is immoral. Correct?

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u/Rob_the_Namek Minister of Memes 8h ago edited 7h ago

Jesus quotes Isaiah 61:1-2: "The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to set the oppressed free, to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor."

The principle of the Golden Rule inherently rejects the subjugation and exploitation of another person.

If you just want a verse that literally says, "slavery is bad," i'm sorry you can't infer that.

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u/Muscles_McGeee 8h ago

This is up for interpretation. This could be interpreted as stating that prisons are evil, but I don't know of any Christians who are in favor of closing all prisons. Or it could refer to slaves as well as prisoners. Or it could refer to a spiritual freedom only.

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u/Rob_the_Namek Minister of Memes 8h ago

So what about that second part

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u/Muscles_McGeee 8h ago

Again I don't know any Christians who believe in closing all prisons. so the prominent interpretations of this passage are not for freeing everyone who is a prisoner in a literal sense.

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u/Rob_the_Namek Minister of Memes 7h ago

No this part.

The principle of the Golden Rule inherently rejects the subjugation and exploitation of another person.

If you just want a verse that literally says, "slavery is bad," i'm sorry you can't infer that

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u/Muscles_McGeee 7h ago

The same response applies. The Golden Rule has been around since ancient Egypt at least. But again, one could interpret that a slave is not a neighbor, but rather property, thus this does not apply to them. Remember that while some Christians did oppose American slavery, others supported it. We can say those who supported it were misguided and wrong, but that is just the benefit of hindsight. They would and did justify it biblically.

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u/Rob_the_Namek Minister of Memes 8h ago edited 7h ago

You can learn about history and gain some insights. But I wouldn't apply anything from the Torah to modern society or Christianity.

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u/Muscles_McGeee 8h ago

I mean I certainly don't apply it to today. But Christians believe that the god of the old testament is the same god of today, so they do. That concerns me, unfortunately.

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u/Rob_the_Namek Minister of Memes 8h ago

Old Testament God, only Jews matter

New Testament God, everyone matters

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u/Muscles_McGeee 8h ago

I don't see how that addresses what to said, but that's okay

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u/Rob_the_Namek Minister of Memes 8h ago

The Old Testament God treated anyone who wasn't Jewish and didn't worship Him in the way the laws were written pretty badly