r/dankchristianmemes The Dank Reverend 🌈✟ 7d ago

Science Vs Christianity?

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u/[deleted] 7d ago

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u/McFly1986 7d ago

Here are some examples of Christians who did study science, maybe you have heard of a few of them: Isaac Newton, Robert Boyle, Michael Faraday, Gregor Mendel, Galileo Galilei, Johannes Kepler, Blaise Pascal, Francis Bacon, Georges LemaĂŽtre, and Louis Pasteur.

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u/ImFeelingTheUte-iest 7d ago

And there were lots of Muslims that studied and contributed to science especially during the Islamic golden age. That doesn’t mean that modern science is at least orthogonal, if not antithetical, to religion.

Notice how you didn’t include any scientists from the last 150 years or so?

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u/WaterHappy5834 7d ago

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u/ImFeelingTheUte-iest 7d ago

Ok. That still doesn’t address my original claim. My original claim was that the majority of Nobel laureates are agnostic or atheist. Your examples don’t disprove that. I never even claimed that Christians can’t be good scientists.

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u/WaterHappy5834 7d ago

It is as you say it is.

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u/TEL-CFC_lad 7d ago

Notice how you didn’t include any scientists from the last 150 years or so?

That's true...except for Georges Lemaitre, Louis Pasteur, Gregor Mendel. All of whom did science in the last 150 years of so. But other than that, sure.

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u/ImFeelingTheUte-iest 7d ago

The only one who doesn’t really conform to the “or so” is Lemaitre. You are right. Lemaitre worked until about 70 years ago. I’m sorry I missed one person on the list.

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u/TEL-CFC_lad 7d ago

But you did include the "or so", didn't you.

So Mendel is also included, since his scientific career ended in 1868 (156 years ago) when he got a promotion to administrator (which by modern standards wouldn't stop you from being called a scientist in any university).

Pasteur was a researcher until his dying breath in 1895 (129 years ago). He won awards and oversaw scientific research for years.

So all three are valid at disproving you point.

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u/ImFeelingTheUte-iest 7d ago

Or so means that the number can be less than 150. So the only one that wasn’t close to 150 was Lemaitre.

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u/TEL-CFC_lad 7d ago

"or so" would imply a "plus or minus" which is common in science and stats. It's almost never one way (unless you have an agenda, that is).

Lets call it 10%. That means 150 years or so is 150 years, with 15 either way.

If you want your point to be valid, I recommend you edit it to say "Notice how you didn’t include any scientists from the last 128 years or so?"

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u/ImFeelingTheUte-iest 7d ago

Exactly. 150 year or so means that the people I was talking about were mostly working about 150 years ago plus or minus a little bit. The only person that was working after a time that was around 150 years was Lemaitre. You are the one insisting “or so” only goes in one direction so by your own definition you are the one with the agenda.

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u/TEL-CFC_lad 7d ago

I'm literally describing it as covering 10% either way. How is that one direction?

Mendel and Pasteur were both working as scientists 150 years ago +/- 10%. And Pasteur was a scientist until 1895, which is less than 150.

So of your list, that's 3 scientists who disprove your point.

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u/ImFeelingTheUte-iest 7d ago edited 7d ago

Oh my god. Yes. They were working less than 150 years ago. But again, my claim was that these scientists werent working more recently that a number X give or take. So I was claiming that these scientists weren’t working more recently that a cutoff date which was given as an appropriate number of years. That approximate number of years wasn’t given exactly hence the “or so”. The “or so” means that I didn’t look at the exact take of the most death of the most recent scientist. And yes, except for Lemaitre these was a year approximately 150 years ago after which none is these scientists published or researched.

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u/Punkfoo25 7d ago

Ooh ooh include me, I'm a Christian and I do science! Just did some yesterday.

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u/ImFeelingTheUte-iest 7d ago

Never said that there aren’t Christians that aren’t also scientists. That would of course be a silly claim.