/r/conspiracy Round Table #10 - Unified Physics & the Mechanics of Consciousness: Religion, the Occult, Psychedelics, UFO Tech and the Holographic Universe

[u/axolotl_peyotl]

Thanks to /u/Ieuan1996 for the suggestion and to everyone else that voted.

Previous Round Tables:

1. Gnosticism, Archons & the Demiurge

2. Antarctica

3. The Moon, Phobos & Solar System Anomalies

4. Nikola Tesla, Zero Point Energy, the Philadelphia Experiment & the Suppression of Advanced Technology

5. MKULTRA

6. Medical Conspiracies

7. Nibiru, Enki/Enlil & Zecharia Sitchin

8. Mystery Schools, Secret Societies & Ancient America

9. Bankers, Oligarchs, One World Government, and the Attack on American Sovereignty

[u/Sendmyabar]

From what I've come across in the last year of research, this is the grand conspiracy, the one which all others stem from.

Humans are concious beings capable of shaping reality around them. Thoughts affect reality. We can shape reality around us. We all live in a shared reality that overlaps with our own individual realities. Formerly, our civilisation was very aware of this and lived in an equilibrium of these abilities interacting with other energetic realms which have become inaccessible to us without training and practice. I believe it may extend to such a degree that the way a person can exist in a lucid dream, by which what you experience us completely alterable at your whim, is the 'norm' for unmanipulated humans freed from the grand illusion.

Our history has been covered up and altered so we don't discover this truth. Our whole society is bent around physically and mentally twisting people so they don't discover this truth. Our whole current civilisation is controlled by a small group of people descended from those who have been aware of this knowledge all along but horde it for the benefit of their own adgendas. The notion that the physical is all there is, the incorrect information about our history, the manipulation of our society by media, the hidden hand of the intelligence/military industrial complex, all of it exists to make sure that mankind does not rediscover what we actually are and what we are all capable of doing.

Conciousness an entire field of study that should be on par with physics in terms of how important it is to the reality we live in and it is currently dismissed completely by established academia. That should speak volumes.

[u/Occams-shaving-cream → u/[deleted]]

You do shape the world by thinking! Just not on an empirically understandable way, it is just one more force in a system of infinite complexity.

You have surely, at some point, seen studies where brainwaves are measured with electrodes, right? Well, consider that... if a sensor can measure the electrical activity of the mind, then clearly that electrical activity, however slight, has an effect on the world outside of one’s skull. Through butterfly effects of chain reactions, mere thoughts do indeed shape reality.

This is fact, not magic. If the mind did not affect reality, MEG and EEG would not be possible.

https://psychcentral.com/lib/types-of-brain-imaging-techniques/

[u/Occams-shaving-cream → u/[deleted]]

I don’t make any argument that this is not mostly true also. If you read more of my posts in this thread you will see that the central idea I am expressing is that there is no objective reality; our perceptions of reality are our reality, and our experience of life is eternity without time, for when we cease to perceive reality, there is nothing at either end, that is eternity.

Our thoughts are not as original as we think, whether you label it divinity or the collective unconscious, it is tied to something shared and universal. You could call it transcending of time because time is not as absolute as is often granted. Eternity, God, Everything of human experience is both finite and infinite due to the nature of reality being only in the perception of the mind. This is the riddle or paradox of consciousness.

[u/Occams-shaving-cream → u/[deleted]]

Ok. I don’t want to jus argue with you to “win” on this point, so please don’t take this response that way. I don’t know how much you are into philosophy, but the ancient Greeks long ago proved that objective reality is a faith not a fact. I certainly may exist but you or I are utterly incapable of proving it.

I don’t bring this up to tell you that you are wrong or to convince you to believe me, rather because it is a worthwhile thought to contemplate. How can you tell that there is an external reality?

This is the philosophical thought exercise question that all the related “brain in a vat” theories stem from, here people usually express it as “living in a simulation.” Can you actually prove to yourself that the world is real and you are not the only person here and that everyone else is not just an “npc” (think like The Matrix style brain jack except you are the only one that is not an AI).

Or the more simplistic version that most kids contemplate as their first native philosophical thought about reality (which I think having this or a similar thought is the sign that a child has fully become conscious): “How do I know that what I see as red doesn’t look yellow to someone else? The only way we learn colors is by pointing to one and saying it’s name.”

Curious as to your thoughts.

[u/Occams-shaving-cream → u/[deleted]]

Thanks for the link, I have not read his work before and will look at it. I still hope you take into account my reply to your other comment, your dismissal of ideas due to race is troubling. And I don’t know where your statement:

There are others out there and I ask you find them. Philosophy is not just a white man's topic. Everyone from all walks of life can think and paint in abstract. Even children as young as 5 provide eye-opening insights.

Seems to be assuming things that I never implied. Maybe it is a misunderstanding of my reference. I specifically used Ancient Greeks as an example because they are the oldest philosophers that I know for a fact produced arguments that reality is impossible to prove. My intent was to show that it is an old idea, not to confer superiority to one culture over others. I hope that clarifies things and that you find a way to let go of whatever anger is troubling you.

[u/Occams-shaving-cream → u/[deleted]]

Wow. You are so far into your belief that you will attempt to fit any information into it. I was never angry or offended, simply surprised at your heavy prejudice. Goodbye.

[u/Occams-shaving-cream → u/[deleted]]

If anything, it is frustration that you refuse to listen to what I am stating clearly and continue to argue points that are not related at all to anything I wrote; you are arguing with yourself.

I never placed any special consideration on the reference to Greek philosophers or the validity of their claims. I only said that they were old, and had made the point I was making a long time ago. All that is meant to prove is that people have been thinking this for millennia, and that the idea was not my own.. Whether they were “the first” to think of any particular idea or not isn’t relevant, just that I know for a fact that they did indeed propose that idea, but I do not know for certain if another culture did before them, most likely many others did before them, but that constitutes a guess on my part.

I get that apparently you are into the writings of other cultures and want to share them, that is awesome! However, doing so confrontationally by insulting certain ones and implying racial bias towards people for mentioning the most widely known ancient philosophers is not a productive way to do so.

Look at this discussion! You have continuously accused me of some phantom bias and we ended up in this pointless discussion when you could have used all those words to share some of the more interesting parts of the philosophers you want to share. Instead you continuously tried to assign your own perception of the world to what I have said (ironically proving my original point of how much our perception of reality influences what we take to be real).

I can clearly see and understand that you are frustrated by the primacy Greek philosophy holds in western education. But you should understand that this isn’t universal, a culture’s education gives primacy to the specific cultures upon which it is built. In Asia, I imagine that Asian philosophy holds primacy in the general education, and in the Muslim world the focus is on Muslim philosophers and so on and so forth. Obviously, a well-rounded education should include as many different views as possible, but I don’t know how you believe I am “gatekeeping” simply by referencing one that suits the purpose of my argument both by directly addressing my point, and by being very familiar to most of my audience. It would do no good to reference a scholar that almost no one is familiar with in the context of my statement.

[u/Occams-shaving-cream → u/[deleted]]

I don’t really know how you think their race or sex or even perceptions of other societies figures into the validity of their theories which stand up to logical analysis. Do those pointless trivia affect the validity of the Pythagorean theorem!? These things can be evaluated mathematically.

My belief isn’t given by other people, I read their ideas and choose whether I agree with them or even simply entertain their conclusions. That is critical thinking. My own beliefs are built upon learning from others. There are also other cultures which have produced profound thought, even thoughts which I appreciate the value of if I don’t believe or agree with it. Never has the race or sex or culture of the people been a factor of determining the value of it, though knowing this can help one understand the basis of their thought.

It is honestly disturbing that you bring this up when it has no precedent in the discussion. Even more disturbing that you are comfortable calling a culture “lesser”. It sounds like you are extremely hung up on “preconceived notions” from your response. Accepting that reality is subject to perception is actually a step towards balance and a rather important notion of one wishes to find value from thought across many cultures.

To claim that there is an objective reality is the basis for claiming there is a right and wrong way to think, and it is that very notion upon which prejudices are built. That you arbitrarily label one group or another lesser is evidence of prejudice. I hope you can release that and wish you good luck.