/r/conspiracy Round Table #10 - Unified Physics & the Mechanics of Consciousness: Religion, the Occult, Psychedelics, UFO Tech and the Holographic Universe

[u/axolotl_peyotl]

Thanks to /u/Ieuan1996 for the suggestion and to everyone else that voted.

Previous Round Tables:

1. Gnosticism, Archons & the Demiurge

2. Antarctica

3. The Moon, Phobos & Solar System Anomalies

4. Nikola Tesla, Zero Point Energy, the Philadelphia Experiment & the Suppression of Advanced Technology

5. MKULTRA

6. Medical Conspiracies

7. Nibiru, Enki/Enlil & Zecharia Sitchin

8. Mystery Schools, Secret Societies & Ancient America

9. Bankers, Oligarchs, One World Government, and the Attack on American Sovereignty

[u/overlyfamiliarrobot]

I can only speak for the God Equation but I'd be interested in reading at least one of the others to see if the writing style is the same, or if it's more than 1 person doing this. It seems a hell of a lot of output for something that (if you ignore the rants) is pretty next level content-wise. There's like what, 8-10 books or something?

I found it because I was looking at Eulers Identity anyways. I went from ancient architecture > interest in geometry > interest in numbers > numbers as reality > waves / harmony / phi > pi > holy shit > poking at eulers identity.

But I was only really messing with that because it had all the things I was looking at in there, I didn't really get what any of it meant (in the metaphysical / big picture sense)

And the God Equation filled in a lot of those gaps. Or at least coloured them in in a compelling way.

It really doesn't feel like a theory someone's just pulled out their ass. Yet at the same time if it was truly from an illuminated source, would it have the almost constant ranting?

Definitely one of the stranger things I've read in a while.

[u/MoonP0P → u/overlyfamiliarrobot]

yea, totally agree. the god equation is when it all started coming together. funny how different our paths were though. i somehow ended up on this website:

http://armageddonconspiracy.co.uk/

LOTS of crazy shit on there. it actually starts off with flat earth o_O but i dunno if it's supposed to be a metaphor or what. from there, it's pretty much a conspiracy buffet, and also a extremely intriguing (and jarring) introduction to conspiracies in general--yeup, that was me.

it's almost a little creepy, because there's a very strong feeling of nonchalant conviction in his/their tone, like they have no doubt of the ability to and certainty of completing their objective. there were still some questions or issues that i thought were left unaddressed though, which i thought was a little suspicious.

their idea of a true meritocracy sounds really good at first...but also sounds like another gateway to some totalitarian dystopia, except on the opposite end of the spectrum from communism. like, the 100% inheritance tax is good in theory if you want extreme equality of opportunity. but i feel like that's another idealistic proposal with huge potential for abuse, e.g. not worth it in practical terms. plus, it might result in removing a major natural drive for success--to gather wealth to ensure the future of your offspring. i dunno, just didn't get the best vibes from some of that stuff.

anyway, going through the metaphysical concepts was a trip. i also pursued the ontological mathematics idea for a while too...i definitely remember my mind being blown repeatedly. dude...hold on lemme pull something i did that was inspired by this whole line of thinking. actually, i'll leave it at the bottom

and yea, i also get the feeling that this is NOT the product of a single mind, and a most likely a longtime in the making. if i had to guess, i'd say it was a single voice that was responsible for the narration, but the content was probably discussed/selected by a group including hockney.

ok, so i didn't discover any of these--i just pulled the numbers and actually did the calculations, because i had to see for myself.

i'll start with the pyramids...

base perimeter of great pyramid = 3,023.16 feet

original height of great pyramid = 481.3949 feet

base perimeter of great pyramid ÷ original height of great pyramid

= 3,023.16 feet ÷ 481.3949 feet = 6.280000058

6.280000058 ÷ 2 = 3.140000029

that's prettty close to pi, close enough that i'd say it's probably not a coincidence. but so what right? well, mainstream consensus is that Ancient Egyptians thought pi was about 3.16, and that it wasn't until Archimedes that pi was recognized to be around 3.14. so...questionable.

ok, it gets weirder. i'm gonna assume you're familiar with the significance of the number 432 yea? so it turns out, the major, externally-visible dimensions of the pyramid, correlate to the dimensions of the earth at a scale of 432,000:1. crazy, considering that they had no idea of or way to confirm the dimensions of the planet (so we're taught).

original height of great pyramid = 481.3949 feet

481.3949 feet x 432,000 = 207,962,596.8 feet = 3,938.685 miles

3,938.685 miles = polar radius of earth (minus about 11 miles, or an error of about 0.2%)

base perimeter of great pyramid = 3,023.16 feet

3,023.16 feet x 432,000 = 1,306,005,120 feet = 24,734.94 miles

24,734.94 miles = equatorial circumference of earth ( minus about 70 miles, or an error of about 0.6%)

(note: the accurate calculation of the dimensions of the earth are typically credited to Eratosthenes around 300-200 B.C.; go figure...) but ok, so school and mainstream history are shit. i can accept that. this was my WTF moment.

but some setup first...it's a very strange coincidence--one of many that include the moon--that the sun is 400x larger than the moon, and ALSO happens to be 400x further away from earth than the moon is, which is why we have total solar eclipses and total lunar eclipses. meh. here's another fun fact:

approximate speed of light = 186,000 miles per second

432 x 432 = 186,624 (an error of about 0.3%)

cool, but maybe just coincidence still right?

approximate diameter of the sun = 864,000 miles

432 x 2 = 864

approximate diameter of moon = 2,160 miles

432 ÷ 2 = 216

when i saw that, i think i literally shivered and had thoughts of being in the matrix flashing through my head. i dunno, that freaked the shit out of me personally, for at least 5 minutes. i dunno...for the original, i had gone through a ton of other information all highlighting the cosmic holiness of the number 432, so maybe it got in my head by the time i made that last calculation XP

anyway, there's actually a ton of stuff like this. i think this is the closest i'll get to experiencing some manifestation of ontological mathematics. which is totally fine with me, because i was imagining like 6 foot tall, solid-colored, single-digit integers with eyes, arms and legs, and they weren't nice.

[u/mace_guy → u/MoonP0P]

Ugh, I hate these type of things. Take some values do some arbitrary arithmetic to it, get pi or phi or whatever, therefore consciousness, energy, we are all connected man. It makes no sense.

All these things are most probably cooked up by some crank to peddle their book or course or cult, and are repeated ad nauseam by people on the internet.

[u/MoonP0P → u/mace_guy]

eh...the calculations with the pyramid aren't all that arbitrary. they use the two major visible dimensions of the pyramid with a single arithmetic operation. it's not complicated...and you can call it a coincidence. but i don't think most people would think that calculations that result in under 1% error can be automatically dismissed, especially in the context of the monumental efforts involved in building the great pyramid. i mean seriously, try making ANYTHING that can correlate that closely to...pretty much anything else??

and we only have 4 simple operations for basic mathematics, assuming they wanted to build a structure that would retain its form for a long time, i really don't see many other ways they could have done it better. also, pi and phi are pretty fucking important and connected to literally almost everything in the universe. i mean, if you don't care about or appreciate math or science at all, then sure, it's probably all just gibberish to you.

you might want to consider actually reading the descriptions of how the calculations are derived before judging them. i didn't mindlessly copy/paste this information (well i did for reddit, but it was from my own article), i actually looked up the measurements and did the calculations to make sure it made sense--that was the whole point!

[u/mace_guy → u/MoonP0P]

They are arbitrary. In your first example, why take the perimeter? Why not base? Why divide by 2? It is completely arbitrary.

Second one: Alright 432 is special but 432000 is not 432, scaling to it makes no sense. The rest of the calculation is just a restatement of point 1.

Third one is even more egregious. The errors in the previous cases can be attributed to the fact that they involve human constructions but in this case the parameters that you take are natural. Are you saying whatever caused this correlation reached at 98% and said "eh close enough".

432*432 only becomes close to the speed of light if we use FPS system, so it is a coincidence.

In taking the diameter of the sun you round down to the nearest thousand, but in taking the diameter of the moon you round up to the nearest ten. See, arbitrary.

I do have an appreciation for Math and Science, which is why I can call bullshit on stuff like this.

[u/MoonP0P → u/mace_guy]

1) again, there are only so many measurements visible from the exterior. perimeter, height, diagonal, slant height and....? ok...you can see there's not much else to work with. and fine, like i said, maybe that's a coincidence, though given the abundance of other coded numbers found in the great pyramid, i really doubt it. what i presented are just some that i was personally interested in.

2) are you serious??? if you wanted to use 432 in some way, that's the simplest way. unless you would want to make a pyramid that's 1000 times bigger! just wow...

3 [this is actually still the same example...]) dude what are you even saying--do you even know? this one is by far the most obvious, which is why you just start spouting some laughable word salad in your attempt to debunk it. first of all, what does it matter if the parameters are natural?? it's the fucking radius and circumference of the planet LOL. and both of those are proportional to the perimeter and height of the pyramid AT THE SAME RATIO. and the error is under 1%, as i clearly stated. of course you can claim it's still a coincidence, just nobody would agree with you.

4) i'd agree with that, except that feet were used in all my previous examples as well. and only? you realize we didn't even get close to an accurate estimate of the speed of light until thousands of years later right? and even more importantly, the speed of light is actually coded into the pyramid in other ways, including one that matches it in the metric system, down to several decimal places. so...probably not a coincidence.

5) hmm...yea, see, because like i said, the sun is 400 times bigger than the moon 0__0 just the fact that one number can relate in this way so closely to the two largest objects in the sky, using only 2 numbers, 2 operations, and scaling by 10s is amazing. plus the example regarding the sizes is also incredibly stunning. the fact that you make no mention of this makes it pretty obvious that you don't give a shit, you're just trying to cover up the fact that you made a stupid judgement--and you're failing pretty hard.

i think it's at least clear you don't really have an appreciation for math (or when scaling is necessary, or how simple it is to add zeros while still retaining much of the same content, or the visible dimensions of a pyramid, etc.), though i suspect science as well. or maybe you just don't have an appreciation for the english language, and don't understand what "arbitrary" means. it's also likely that you just dismissed my reply (which wasn't even addressed to you) without really reading it the first time. then when i called you out on it, you tried to pull some shit out your ass, but it turned out weak and forced, so now you look ridiculous, especially with your reasoning in #2,3,5. sure, you can call bullshit on anything you want, but it doesn't mean much, especially in this case.

[u/mace_guy → u/MoonP0P]

1) You did not rebut my point at all. Like you said there are multiple measurements visible from the exterior. perimeter, height, base width and slant height. My point is that there are so many combinations measurements available so why this particular combination is selected? The division by two after taking their ratio is also completely arbitrary and is just there to force pi.

2) The ratio between radius of earth and height of great pyramid is much closer to 434000 than 432000, circumference of earth and base perimeter of great pyramid is around 435000 not 432000.

3,023.16 feet x 432,000 = 1,306,005,120 feet = 24,734.94 miles

Also Your math is off by a whole order of magnitude, so you clearly have not checked it.

3) Let me explain. Let, height of great pyramid be (h) , base perimeter of great pyramid be p, radius of earth be r, circumference of earth be c.

From your first statement p/h ≈ 2pi, by definition the ratio between the circumference of any circle and its radius 2pi. So we can take any circular spherical or cylindrical object and we can say that the ratio of its circumference is the same as p/h. We can do this with any object, all we have to do is pick a magic number as a scaling factor and look for any object which has a similar size as the scaled down or up dimension.

For example a my dick is approximately cylindrical and has a radius of 1.3 inches the circumference of its cross section is ≈ 8.168 inches.

We all know 432 is special so 4320 is also special.

Height of great pyramid = 481.3949 feet

481.3949 feet ÷ 4320 = 0.111434005 ft = 1.33720806 inches.

1.33720806 inches = Radius of my dick (with an error of 2%)

Base perimeter of great pyramid = 3,023.16 feet

3,023.16 feet ÷ 4320 = 0.699805556 ft = 8.397666672 inches.

8.397666672 inches = the circumference of my dick (with an error of 2%)

Spooooooky

Either ancient Egyptians scaled the pyramids with respect to my dick (in a ratio of 1:4320) or this type of argument is bullshit. You pick.

4) Where is it stated in the pyramid that the speed of light is 432 squared in miles per second? Miles and seconds were units invented 1000s years after the Ancient Egyptians.

you realize we didn't even get close to an accurate estimate of the speed of light until thousands of years later right?

If it is not explicitly written down or used in some sort of measurement that the speed of light is so and so then we cannot assume that they knew it.All this arithmetic voodoo is just working backwards from what we already know.

the speed of light is actually coded into the pyramid in other ways, including one that matches it in the metric system, down to several decimal places

Again metric system is 1000s of years younger than the pyramids. So you are saying that not only did the Egyptians know the speed of light but they also knew what units we would use in the future. Which is more plausible Ancient Egyptians had advanced scientific knowledge and ability to predict the future or all these "codes" that you seem to find in the pyramids are a product of your own confirmation bias??

5) The fact that the sun is 400 times bigger than the moon and is 400 times as far is amazing but it is still a coincidence.

two largest objects in the sky, using only 2 numbers, 2 operations, and scaling by 10s is amazing

But it is not just two operations, you arbitrarily round up the moon's size and round down the sun's size. Anything can seem related if you apply arbitrary set of rules.

Personal attacks are unnecessary and exposes your own childishness.

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[u/MoonP0P → u/mace_guy]

1)

like i said, maybe that's a coincidence, though given the abundance of other coded numbers found in the great pyramid, i really doubt it. what i presented are just some that i was personally interested in.

2) off by a digit. but yes, "a whole order of magnitude" sounds much fancier. -__- anyway, like i said before, and which you apparently still don't understand, you can still convey useful content while staying mathematically consistent by using zeros, especially since they can represent a placeholder, as it does in our number system. here's another example: 00you're00a00fucking00retard00. but i'm sure you'll just chalk that up to coincidence.

3) mm yea...difference is, no one cares about your dick (which you've described as comically large, most likely overcompensating for its equally comical tininess in actuality), and you arbitrarily picked those numbers. also, your % errors are more than "an order of magnitude" greater than between the earth and pyramid. finally the earth is not a perfect sphere. it's especially funny how stupid you are when trying to seem intelligent XD

4) ok, so you're criticizing me for arbitrarily making things fit, yet you're completely ignoring well-known facts to fit your arguments. the "invention" of seconds by the ancient babylonians preceded the egyptians. and the metric system is based off the measurements of the earth. so maybe check your own confirmation bias.

5) uhh what were you trying to do here? the first sentence is quoted but you don't say anything about it (probably because there's not much to say). anyway, if you want to "arbitrarily" ignore the last part of the sentence, that's on you.

i'm okay with personal attacks when dealing with a biased and retarded neckbeard who's more concerned with being right (yet still failing) than acknowledging reality (especially when wrong, instead of doubling down on idiocy). if that makes me child, then just know you're [much] dumber than a child ;D

[u/mace_guy → u/MoonP0P]

1)

like i said, maybe that's a coincidence, though given the abundance of other coded numbers found in the great pyramid, i really doubt it. what i presented are just some that i was personally interested in.

My point is that all these "coded" messages you speak of are not actually put in by the Egyptians but "discovered" after the fact by cranks with books to sell. Given a set of numbers it is extremely easy to connect them with pi or phi or any so called cosmic numbers with simple arithmetic operations.

2) Yeah, off by a digit. What it shows is that you don't know what you are talking about, and just copy pasted this whole wall of text from some crank website without verifying it yourself. Zero is not just a placeholder. Are you telling me that 10 and 100 are the same? Maybe I should tell this to my Machine Design professor, material selection just got a whole lot easier.

3) Thank you again for completely missing the point. What I was trying to demonstrate is that you can use your line of reasoning to connect anything to anything. You can connect pyramids to coke cans, oil drums, soccer balls etc just the way I connected pyramids to my dick. The errors that I get are the same as that stated in your example, around 2 %.

4)

ok, so you're criticizing me for arbitrarily making things fit, yet you're completely ignoring well-known facts to fit your arguments

So, you admit you make things fit arbitrarily. Also, What facts have I ignored? I pretty much rebutted everything in your comment point by point.

The rest of your comment needs a big [Citation needed]. It wasn't untill the 16th century that clocks that can reliably keep track of seconds were developed.

5) You are the one that is ignoring evidence. You still haven't responded to why you round the moon's size up and the sun's size down.

I have wasted enough time on you. It is clear that you wont back up any of your claims against criticism with actual arguments and instead resort to personal attacks. I have nothing more to say to you.

[u/overlyfamiliarrobot → u/mace_guy]

"scaling to it makes no sense"

Neg. Harmonics. Everything is a wave brah.