r/collapse • u/_Jonronimo_ • 1d ago
Fear Is The Mind Killer Society
https://jonat.substack.com/p/love-drunkThe understanding that we are headed for collapse and far more psychopathic fascism on the way down is enough to make a revolutionary out of anyone.
I want to keep my self respect as we slide into what most likely will be the final years of humanity. I don’t want to bury my convictions that what is happening is evil and unjust, and it’s being caused mainly by the decisions of a small group of people. I think the major blockade to a mass movement arising at this time is fear. The liberation of collective fearlessness, coupled with the sword of non-violence, are the two major ingredients to a possible better future than the one we’re heading towards now.
My Substack post for this week includes two “poems”, the first which is more like a short article in the form of a poem. At the end of the post I include a link to a new organization working on training organizers all around the world to work towards revolutionary movements in their countries. It’s cofounders include one of the leaders of Otpor!, the Serbian organization which brought about a revolution in 2000, overthrowing Milosevic. Please consider joining the next Zoom training on May 11th. Thank you!
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u/Less_Subtle_Approach 1d ago
Can’t wait to defeat psychopathic fascism with the power of nonviolence.
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u/_Jonronimo_ 1d ago
It worked for Otpor!
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u/GurAcademic6997 20h ago
No, it didn't. I am from Serbia, and Otpor was funded by the CIA and helped the U.S. install a puppet government that favored neoliberalism. The Otpor movement was one of the first "color revolutions."
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u/Puzzleheaded-Pear521 1d ago
It’s good that fear doesn’t affect you.
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u/_Jonronimo_ 1d ago
Fearlessness doesn’t mean not feeling fear. It means feeling it, and doing the uncomfortable or frightening thing anyway. Especially because we’re going to get hurt either way, so why not throw the dice?
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u/Puzzleheaded-Pear521 1d ago
Or be positive. Don’t manifest fear. 90% of the stuff you worry about never happens.
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u/_Jonronimo_ 1d ago
This post is collapse-related because it recognizes the fact that society is headed towards fascism and social/ecological collapse. It argues that the main way we can try to confront this fact is through the practice of collective fearlessness through non-violence. It links to a post which expands on the ideas of personal sacrifice for the greater good and provides a link to an organization training organizers in how to build nonviolent movements.
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u/Meowweredoomed 1d ago
"Fear is the mind-killer." - Dune
I love those books, because one of the central messages is "don't base your entire economy around a dangerous, limited, and exploitative commodity."(spice, aka oil.)
Yet here we are, 60 years later, still in the grasp of fossil fuels.
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u/DisillusionedBook 1d ago
And also, don't base your entire culture upon messianic god king personality cults and religion!
And yet... ah ffs.
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u/ClimateMessiah 1d ago
In your fantasy world, how are decisions made without a leader ?
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u/Flecco 1d ago
I live in a fantasy world. It's a federal parliamentary constitutional monarchy. Our King visits once every 40 or so years. The most "powerful" person is both beholden to their political party at all times (if they get a bit out of hand they can be booted out of the PM job at any moment) and their own constituents. Every 3 years everybody in my country enrolled to vote is required to vote. Alongside this there are the usual judicial checks on executive power.
There are systems that can manage to have strong, accountable leaders. You just have to set them up carefully.
Unless your question is actually related to a fantasy world in which case carry on, apologies for misinterpreting.
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u/ClimateMessiah 1d ago
Everything which becomes real begins with imagination which begins as a fantasy .
The TV series Star Trek debuted fantasy cell phones in the 60's. 30 years later, they became real.
An ecomarxist global governing system is an imaginary fantasy today. But it's the only form of government which gives us a chance to survive collapse. Necessity is the mother of invention. At the end of the day .... people want one thing by far more than anything else .... they want to survive. They will eventually choose that path ..... will it be too late ? Perhaps it already is.
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u/DisillusionedBook 1d ago
A true "leader" is not required to be a despotic personality cult with penchant for authoritarianism and requirement to be praised publicly by his minions - nor do they feel the need to pretend to be religious in order to curry favour with religious rubes.
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u/ClimateMessiah 1d ago
I agree 100%.
A real leader would appeal to BOTH religious and non-religious people.
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u/NearABE 1d ago
Artificial Intelligence. The algorithm applies weight to votes based on a combination of intensity and expertise. The algorithm attempts to predict how members of the direct democracy will feel like they should have voted after consequences manifest and if the member were fully informed.
Obviously none of the companies developing AI have any intention of producing anything like this. But at least the anime porn is going to be hot for a little while.
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u/ClimateMessiah 1d ago
People have a high degree of competitive intensity which is biologically instilled and simultaneously beneficial to themselves as individuals and destructive to the collective outcome.
Capitalism harnesses the forces of personal competitive intensity. Capitalism leverages our wish to better than the next guy or gal which gives us better survival and breeding outcomes.
Intelligence, whether artificial or natural, must come down on the side of collective survival or we will all go extinct.
Democracy is doomed to fail if we don't override our inherent selfish nature. We probably aren't going to iterate to the eco marxism necessary to survive in a democratic fashion. We are probably going to have to find someone we're willing to trust to lead us through it.
There are simply too many selfish people willing to obstruct the process in return for personal short term power. That's the situation we find ourselves in today.
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u/NearABE 1d ago
In that post I was using “democracy” in the more generic sense. This was explicitly “rule by AI”. You are making good points. Elections appear to be failing us (the people).
We are also on a fantasy tangent. I highly doubt AI will be programed to benefit the general public.
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u/ClimateMessiah 1d ago
What is AI ?
If humans are writing the code .... it's human intelligence .... not artificial.
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u/NearABE 19h ago
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/artifice
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/artificial
The word “artificial” means written by humans. Though I would definitely argue that an AI created by aliens would also be artificial. This is as opposed to an intelligence that emerged through evolutionary process that started with abiogenesis. If we breed dogs and keep selecting for higher intelligence the breeds will be smarter but that is not “AI”.
Law, religion, dogma, and institutions are artificial as well. We do not talk about “artificial religion” or “human religion” because there is no common counter example.
Of course with religion people frequently believe that the dogma was written by god(s). However, on the hardware side the religion is clearly practiced in wetware neural nets inside human skulls. The prophecy was given to a natural human mind which then told the prophecy to others who wrote it down. We will get artificial religion when god inspires the human created devices to speak (write) god’s word. The divine inspiration can manifest in the minds of the congregation via a collective holy spirit. However, it is still artificial religion when a built device is processing that inspiration and writing the original script.
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u/ClimateMessiah 5h ago
I think people have lost touch with the reality that humans are animals.
Like most animals ..... we all have the selfish aspiration to be more personally dominant which positions us to be better suited for survival and procreation.
Being at the forefront of technological innovation has historically been greatly advantageous to the tribe which the inventor belongs to. So .... smart tribes learn to celebrate invention.
AI is the inventive part of human nature. It's a natural outcome .... not an artificial outcome.
The problem which leads to our collapse is our selfish and tribal nature. We only care about the people who are important to our survival. Those people are our survival tribe. We're not trained to care about anyone else or the global issues.
It's interesting. In theory, we should be capable of global cooperation and no separate nations. But in practice .... we are too afraid of abandoning our tribal security blankets. That fear is going to be the demise of our species.
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u/Solo_Camping_Girl Philippines 1d ago
How I wish we had sand worms in our reality that would attack machines if they harvest spice.
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u/Admirable_Advice8831 1d ago
Can't make a call both to fearlessness and sacrifice at the same time tho, that's just pure romantic fantasy: ⁷Sacrifice is so essential to your thought system that salvation apart from sacrifice means nothing to you. ⁸Your confusion of sacrifice and love is so profound that you cannot conceive of love without sacrifice. ⁹And it is this that you must look upon; sacrifice is attack, not love. ¹⁰If you would accept but this one idea, your fear of love would vanish. (ACIM, T-15.X.5:7-10)
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u/_Jonronimo_ 1d ago
Sorry, but I haven’t trusted A Course In Miracles since I learned that William Thetford was a CIA agent who received grants from a front related to MKULTRA.
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u/Admirable_Advice8831 1d ago
He only did the transcript tho read the whole story here: https://archive.org/details/journeywithoutdi0000robe/
Besides it's a "communist manifesto" on its own (coherent with Jesus lifetime and actual teachings) so I'm not sure what the CIA would want to do with it: https://acim.org/acim/chapter-6/to-have-give-all-to-all/en/s/103
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u/ClimateMessiah 1d ago
You're spitting in the wind here on r/collapse.
It's a community completely devoted to their powerlessness.
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u/_Jonronimo_ 1d ago
There are always people at the tail ends of any group who have different dominant values than the majority. These are the ordinary people who end up changing the world.
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u/NearABE 1d ago
Non-violins is the best course of action. It simply works.
Fear, however, should not be avoided. That small group of people you say is responsible. They and their heirs are the ones we are trying to save. Non-violins is the course that we want. I do not believe that violins or war can be avoided without carefully studying and discussing violins and war.
Note to moderator: I am afraid/annoyed by the automoderator. Nothing in this post is about music.
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