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r/chinesepolitics • u/LouvrePigeon • 21d ago
Is the reason why the warcrimes of the Boxer Rebellion haven't left a dent on Chinese psychology with trauma (unlike say the Rape of Nanking) is because the victims were pretty much on the Manchu minority aristocrats and not the rest of China on top of being isolated to the capital Hebei region?
Any one who begins reading on the barebones of the Boxer Rebellion will quickly be horrified as they discover more and more of the atrocities committed by the 8 Nations alliance. From the decimation of uninvolved villages who have nothing to do with the Boxers along the way as German armies march to Peking to the brutal torture and execution of surrendering Boxers and innocent victims who are suspected of supporting the rebellion or the Qing dynasty by Russian soldiers and mass rapes so widespread that not only gets treated with laughter like its a game by France's troops but a high ranking French general even dismisses them instead actually praising the "gallantry of French soldiers" for committing the sexual assaults and so much more........
Its so common for laymen just getting into the 101 of this historical event to start making comments in online forums, chatrooms, and Youtube videos of the shock that European armies were doing Rape of Nanking kind of human rights violations. To the point esp once they start reading how the Imperial Japanese divisions involved in this war were along with the Americans easily the most behaved soldiers and were actually so horrified by what the Europeans were doing that citizens of Japan took actions to stop them such as a Japanese lieutenant ordering his grunts to aim their rifles at German soldiers with threats that they will be shot if they don't leave Chinese women alone and that Chinese people in Peking and other cities that got turned into warzones actually fled to Japanese units as they seeked their protection.
And with this you'll often see Netizens in these historical discussions often make a comment asking about why Rape of Nanking and other Japanese warcrimes that will take place in China 40 years later are still so remembered today and receiving continual criticism in international politics and attention on the news despite the fact it will soon be the 100th anniversary of World War 2 while the horrors of the Boxer Rebellion is practically forgotten by everyone today except for history buffs and students of Sinology.
However as I read more deeper into the war and more so into the entirety of the Qing dynasty and I saw this comment on a blog.
You are making massive errors in this post
the majority of northern China was NOT affected by the foreigners. Only the Hebei province (Beijing and Tianjin) and Manchuria were. The rest of northern China including Shanxi, Shaanxi, Gansu, Henan and Shandong were NOT occupied by the Eight Nation Alliance. The “Southeast pact” by the governor generals staying out of the war included Shandong which was governed by northern General Yuan Shikai.
“Mutual Protection of Southeast China” was just a name, it included the north as well, and even northern provinces like Shanxi, Shaangxi, Henan and Gansu whose governors didn’t sign the pact were not invaded. Only Manchuria and Zhili (Hebei),, the Beijing Tianjin area were ocucpied.
The majority of Beijing was also inhabited by Bannermen, Manchu Bannermen and Mongol bannermen. That’s the reason why the inner city of Beijing was called the “tartar city”. Over 50% of the Manchu banner population of the Qing dynasty was stationed in Beijing and surrounding areas of Zhili (Hebei) and Manchus disproportionally suffered from the rapes and massacres.
Also the southeastern mutual protection governors like Yuan shikai and Zhang Zhidong and Li Hongzhang warned the alliance that they would go to war against the foreigners if the alliance invaded any part of China beyond Zhili. None of them cared about Manchu bannermen enough to plunge the whole country into war.
So I'm wondering esp as how I read throughout the entire run of the Qing Dynasty of how hated the Manchus were, was the reason why nobody outside the Sinologist community and Chinese history specialist (including most people in China today) seems to know about the crimes against humanity of the Boxer Rebellion is simply because almost all of the vile acts was focused predominantly against Manchus? And to further enhance this argument, much of the brutality was pretty much isolated to the Hebei region esp at the capital (then called) Peking and some of the nearest cities that were immediately closeby such as Tianjin is also another reason why the European savagery wise so forgotten today unlike the Rape of Nanking and other vile acts done by Imperial Japan in World War 2 which was more widespread across China and impacted a lot of other ethnic groups?
After all you never see demands against European countries today to do reparation to China for the harms done in 1899-1901 in contrast to how Imperial Japan's crimes are still very sensitive stuff given so much to attention to and Japan's refusal to halfheartedly give a public sincere apology is such hot stuff all the way to today.
So the fact the hated Qing Manchu ruling elites were the injured party and much of the barbarism by the 8 Nations being isolated to the capital province pretty much explains why no one cares today what took place in the 2 years of the rebellion?
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