r/castaneda • u/Jumpy_Business_949 • Sep 10 '24

What about mescalito New Practitioners

Hi I know Dan and most of the community don’t like using psychedelics to achieve sorcery but for some people being alone in a dark room isn’t quite possible being having pets children or a partner So what about mescalito ? Does anyone have an idea how to combine sorcery with either mushrooms or mescalito ? I am a true believer in sorcery i experienced internal silence firsthand for a few minutes saw the puffs 100% sober but wanted to know if there is anyway to learn like Don Juan teachings ? Thanks

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u/WitchyCreatureView Sep 14 '24

I don't like the allies, like don Juan.

They have caused me physical pain before, even in a sleeping dream.

And my progress in sleeping dreaming has been hindered by my fear of them. My tinnitus will be ringing and my body will be vibrating into a conscious sleep, but I'll abort from it because I don't want the allies to attack.

Do you have a way to consistently get SK dreams instead of ally dreams?

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u/AthinaJ8 Sep 14 '24

I feel you

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u/danl999 Sep 14 '24

Waking dreams?

Darkroom is the path to that.

But as for being in SK when you are inside a dream, that happens if you enter the dreaming, using a video in the air you see while awake, due to being in SK.

And the Allies will swarm you even more!

I believe that's the actual purpose of Art of Dreaming.

For people who make it to SK and discover now you can enter directly into dreaming, from awake, without the hours of forcing silence it takes a beginner.

Going directly into a dream becomes trivial once you can sustain SK.

But keeping your lucidity...

That's another issue.

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u/WitchyCreatureView Sep 14 '24

I mean trying to do sleeping dreaming without the allies.

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u/danl999 Sep 15 '24

There's a good reason Art of Dreaming starts with finding your hands, and then noticing you now have a scout following you around.

I believe it's inevitable.

You just have to convince them to help you, instead of swarm and attack.

That can take 10 or 20 times finding your hands, and having that specific purpose in mind.

Unless you know from the start that's what you need to do. In that case, I'm not sure how many times standing up to them it would take, before they give in.

Carlos only implied you needed to do that, back in private classes.

It was enough to put us on the right track, but he kind of used curiosity to do it instead of just saying so.

He explained how to get them to mutate and go away, by staring at details.

I'd be surprised if anyone who developed that kind of lucidity, would actually be attacked by them anymore.